Wainman Rabbit vs Naish Park: what you don't like

[Er Presidente]

I am considering switching from Wainman to the new Naish Park.
the Rabbit so far has been the best kite i've owned, however there are few things which imho can still be improved:
1) safety setting in the bar: we read in this forum that when the kite is flagged on one center line, it can still have some power and start spinning.
2) bar center line swivel often get stucked with sands: when looping the kite the center lines might twist exposing them to potential tearing
3) no one pump inflation

The bar is definitely my reason #1 to change (mostly because of safety issue) but before doing that I would also like to hear weakness on the Naish Park..by looking at some early review it seems that the negatives could be:
1) weird sizing: the lack of a 9m kite means that a 2 kite quiver (8+12m) might not offer the same versatility of a 9+12m
2) long front bridle
3) ???

Thanks your help

[topmick]

3) No demo Parks around at the moment (in Oz ), come on Naish where are the demos.

[jkrug]

1) safety setting in the bar: we read in this forum that when the kite is flagged on one center line, it can still have some power and start spinning.
2) bar center line swivel often get stucked with sands: when looping the kite the center lines might twist exposing them to potential tearing
3) no one pump inflation

the Wainman bar is one of the reasons I remain loyal to the brand, it is simple, and therefore not prone to malfunction like so many other bars loaded with gadgets. every bar i ever used is also prone to the swivel getting stuck...often during very first session. i 've also had other brands swivel break apart on me mid-flight. not fun. never has happened to me on Wainman. if you rotate, just rotate the other way thereafter. keeps you fresh. and 'no one pump'...thank god. i spent far too many hours dealing with previous brand one-pump bladder leaks and repairs.

bottomline: the grass may look greener on the other side, but i've been there...it ain't. my only complaint on Wainman is pulleys...don't like 'em. but willing to put up with them cuz everything else is just about perfect.

[Rossall]

There is a new bar under development for 2011 I hear. My main problem i would have with the Park or many kites for that matter is the excessivley long bridles, one tumble in the waves and you will probably get a fast wrap rip scenario, why are they so long ? thats one thing the rabbit is great at, coming out of the rinse cycle in one piece and the rightway round. I think you will probably have to test them side by side to be hones but I am sure you get some good opinions on this thread !

Phil

[kitenaked]

Naish kites have been prone to inversions in my past experience.

Take proper care of your gear and it will take care of you. Keep your pulleys and swivel spinning free with some TLC before every ride.

Chris

www.kitenaked.com

[legrill83]

2010 slingshot bars work perfect on my Wainman's. Better bar IMO and no modification needed

[Rossall]

Bit industrial though the SS aren't they and with all that inovation it still rely's on a thin piece of elastic to hold it all together . Cabrinha 2010/11 looks better very tidy bar well thought out. We need to put the best of all bars into one I guess.

Phil

[kitenaked]

Lots of riders use the SS bar for non SS kites. Nice bar, but handle is a little old design.

Using the SS bar on the Wainman's, make sure your steering lines are not too long else you will not get enough power.

I know at least one hard headed fool that insisted they ride the SS bar on one of my demo 9m Smokes. "That kite has no power..." blah blah blah

Finally made them use the Wainman bar...."that was awesome...the 9m Smoke is great"

Funny because we put the person on the 7m Gypsy.

Chris

www.kitenaked.com

[dannyalvarez]

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[sourra]

Regarding Park vs Wainman: The Park has those kind of pulleys too and I can't say that they are more prone to invert than any other kite. But ok, so what don't I like?

What I don't like about the Park is that it's not available in any size smaller than 6m². On our big days, that's too big. It would be nice to see a 4.5 or something like that.

What I don't like about the Wainman is the lack of one-pump. I think the time saved pumping up is well worth the time lost when repairing a bladder. I'm not too fond of the bar pressure and the donkey dick either. The latter can really make it a bitch to hook back in if the loop has twisted upside down.