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What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby Thor SFBay » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:18 pm

The Naish website doesn't show a Bolt for 2013. The sigma shape seemed like a big part of the Naish lineup for quite a few years, so why isn't there one for 2013? Anybody hear anything about this? Do they intend for the Ride to take over for the Bolt?

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby tautologies » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:03 pm

Thor SFBay wrote:The Naish website doesn't show a Bolt for 2013. The sigma shape seemed like a big part of the Naish lineup for quite a few years, so why isn't there one for 2013? Anybody hear anything about this? Do they intend for the Ride to take over for the Bolt?


Yeah I know. I am kind of bummed about it. The 9 Bolt was all time. I think the park and Bolt because too close and it seems that Naish moves their products towards simplification and fewer struts. The New Ride and Park is definitely covering for the Bolt in terms of ease of use, stability and gust handling. On the other hand I do think the new park 9 is taking bits and pieces from different aspects both of the bolt and torch. Good times :-)

It is funny because Naish most have sold a ton of sigma kites through the years, yet some people on KF will still claim it was a failure..probably without even having ever tried the kites.

Anyways, yeah it seems the sigma is out (for now).

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby lander » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:08 pm

It looks like it. The Park and Bolt was getting too close to each other and competed for the love of the same customer. So the Park took out the Bolt. And now the Park is a "do it all" kite ala RPM and Bandit.

The ride is a different kite. Much slower and will not react at error input of the rider. So perfect kite for the intermedia user.And some do use it in waves also with very short lines. But not as good as Rally or Reo.

I definitely also think they miss a wave and a race kite in the line for the specialist riders. At least they still got the Torch for freestyle.

Regarding Sigma. I think it was only people who have not tried it who blamed it. (But they can effect a lot anyway). It worked really well and you never had to put sand on the kite when leaving it at the beach because of some tunnel or vacuum effect.

When this is said. The Park will do the job for 80% of all kiters. And with a strong marketing for one kite they might hit stronger than 5 small fire marketing for 5 different kites. I guess thats it. Good or bad - you decide. Cabrinha and North is among the biggest brands and they both have a wide lineup, so this maybe work as well.

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby tautologies » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:20 pm

lander wrote:It looks like it. The Park and Bolt was getting too close to each other and competed for the love of the same customer. So the Park took out the Bolt. And now the Park is a "do it all" kite ala RPM and Bandit.

The ride is a different kite. Much slower and will not react at error input of the rider. So perfect kite for the intermedia user.And some do use it in waves also with very short lines. But not as good as Rally or Reo.

I definitely also think they miss a wave and a race kite in the line for the specialist riders. At least they still got the Torch for freestyle.

Regarding Sigma. I think it was only people who have not tried it who blamed it. (But they can effect a lot anyway). It worked really well and you never had to put sand on the kite when leaving it at the beach because of some tunnel or vacuum effect.

When this is said. The Park will do the job for 80% of all kiters. And with a strong marketing for one kite they might hit stronger than 5 small fire marketing for 5 different kites. I guess thats it. Good or bad - you decide. Cabrinha and North is among the biggest brands and they both have a wide lineup, so this maybe work as well.


great write up.,

I do think one of the major differences this year is that the park is gruntier in a different way. You can actually ride it with a raceboard. Before I would not go on my raceboard with the park, but now I would easily go. The 12 Park takes my out in almost no wind. Now when that is said, the park is not a specialized race kite so I do agree...

I think actually all their kites works well for waves. Park is more turny, but if you ride (ugh pun) the ride 8 for instance that kite is more than able to do well in waves..and it has a ton of power. all kites follow well, and the park this year has even improved on that aspect and does park and ride better than ever.

I have not ridden the other kites (Reo / RPM) enough to say either way, but I'd hesitate to unconditionally believe it leaves anyone wanting something compared to other kites..I love how light it feels.

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby Coloradokiter » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:37 pm

Been riding and teaching on the Park's for awhile but I have just recently changed over to the Ride and find it to be a great wave kite, especially strapless. Not having any issues with turn speed, super smooth in the loops. The Park had a bit of a pull at the end of the loops which always bothered me a little riding strapless. The Ride floats great. I have been riding the 12/10/8 so far in anything from about 11mph (skimming) to low 30's so far. I've been super happy with the kite. We also sell at our shop the Rally and Reo's and I prefer the Ride. It's all a personal feel but I want to be sure to say the Ride is a great wave kite.

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby tony montana » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:48 pm

Coloradokiter wrote:Been riding and teaching on the Park's for awhile but I have just recently changed over to the Ride and find it to be a great wave kite, especially strapless. Not having any issues with turn speed, super smooth in the loops. The Park had a bit of a pull at the end of the loops which always bothered me a little riding strapless. The Ride floats great. I have been riding the 12/10/8 so far in anything from about 11mph (skimming) to low 30's so far. I've been super happy with the kite. We also sell at our shop the Rally and Reo's and I prefer the Ride. It's all a personal feel but I want to be sure to say the Ride is a great wave kite.

Whats the low end like compared to park and how does it handle gusty conditions,thanks, TONY

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby lander » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:56 am

IMO The Ride is more stable and handle gust very Well. Also better low end. But I prefere The Park because the input and feeling is just so much better. The Park has more grunt but great depower. Had a Day back to back with RPM and Park and I prefered The Park because of The feeling and steering and deepower. The ride is good on many aspects but I could not get use to The slow stearing. But again, this is just IMO and What I try to say is, that the Ride is for The intermedia rider, and here it will do The job better than the Bolt. Easier to use, stay on The wing tip, pull and plane eg. But that does not make it a Wave Kite even thoughts you of corse can use it here. But Kites made specified for this is just better. The same with race and freestyle.

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby Brent4336 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:12 pm

I've poked fun at naish for a lot of stuff but I applaud their move toward simplicity.

They've had some good, bad, and ugly just like other companies, and Im kinda glad they have dropped the sigma line. Totally true this is coming from someone who has never owned one, but there is some logic behind my opinion. They did and do work. They fly, they turn, they depower, they sold, but the bird wing design is kinda centered around the concept of a fuselage. Kites just dont have or need one so in the end its just a nice tribute to the seagull. Geo Tech? Jargon to make you geel cool. Its funny how their major premium kite for most riders now is the Park, and they now market it's horizontal seams as a complete opposite of geo tech and push it as a selling point for more imediate power!

I can see where the idea for the anti stiction windows came from. Ive had to help a buddy a few time in small shorebreak where his sigma kite ended up LE down and straight down wind getting a little wash into the canopy. Those two points held about 15 lbs of water combined totally eliminating the ability to get one tip up and the kite moving to the side. He actually has since melted small perfectly round holes into the canopy to drain those spots. I remember reading and seeing a diagram of how those pointy bits were supposed to do just the opposite and break surface tension improving relaunch! In the end. Its unneccessary in a simple arch construction. Thankfully they never let go of the torch!


Just so you dont think this is a targeted brand bashing. I'm dissapointed in the brand Ive been flying the past couple quivers. OR has introduced kinks into their leading edge near the wingtips and I really cant fathom why a straight section to the same geometric spot isn't better. There are also plenty enough great kites without vents to show its not exactly a needed part of the design.

Lots of people slam the octopus system that Naish alone uses, but it makes perfect sense to me. It's a single connection, instead of two connections and an external hose. Whats not better about that? Its internal, protected from sand and sun, less hardware so less weight and potential points of failure and it will never catch on anything let alone affect aerodynamics.

Still glad sigma is gone so they can push design through simplicity.

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby RideLow » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:58 pm

The reason Sigma is gone is that Naish lost huge market share due to the design. Especially in europe and mainland US. It was also a bad way of getting around the Bow patent of the time.

I have tested lots of them and they all had their problems.
Im glad Naish has stopped this trend. Less visual pollution in the sky and finally some good looking kites again.

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Re: What happened to Naish Sigma? - No Bolt for 2013?

Postby tony montana » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:48 pm

lander wrote:IMO The Ride is more stable and handle gust very Well. Also better low end. But I prefere The Park because the input and feeling is just so much better. The Park has more grunt but great depower. Had a Day back to back with RPM and Park and I prefered The Park because of The feeling and steering and deepower. The ride is good on many aspects but I could not get use to The slow stearing. But again, this is just IMO and What I try to say is, that the Ride is for The intermedia rider, and here it will do The job better than the Bolt. Easier to use, stay on The wing tip, pull and plane eg. But that does not make it a Wave Kite even thoughts you of corse can use it here. But Kites made specified for this is just better. The same with race and freestyle.

Lander thanks for info,very helpful,park is a great wave kite just hope naish dont make too many changes to 2013,like your surfboard quiver,if you get a chance try al merric k board tuflite,what a board.Tony


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