Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

forum for kitesurfers


User avatar
dandaka
Frequent Poster
Posts: 305
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:33 pm
Kiting since: 2010
Local Beach: Kaliningrad, Russia
Favorite Beaches: Boracay, Philippines / Mui Ne, Vietnam
Style: unhooked / newschool / wakestyle
Gear: North Vegas 12m² 2012
North Vegas 9m² 2010
North Vegas 7m² 2010
North Team Series 131cm 2011
Mystic Warrior III Len10 2012
Contact:

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby dandaka » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:16 am

DirkGently, don't take this discussion offtopic, please. You can ride whatever you want, nobody forces you to ride RPM/Fuel/whatever.

User avatar
edt
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3846
Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:27 am
Kiting since: 2010
Local Beach: ford lake Michigan
Style: unhooked and hooked boots only
Gear: slingshot, north, liquid force, cmb, pansh
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby edt » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:33 am

DirkGently wrote: Lets assume if someone is throwing handlepasses they aren't worried about getting back upwind


when it takes longer to go upwind, you won't throw as many tricks in a heat, you'll score worse in a tournament especially in gusty conditions. It definitely matters.

TheJoe
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1173
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:13 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: Texas city levee, Galveston, El Jardine and Crystal beach.
Style: Wake, surf, freeride
Gear: Slingshot RPM 14/12/10 Fuels 13/9/7
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby TheJoe » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:15 am

edt wrote:
DirkGently wrote: Lets assume if someone is throwing handlepasses they aren't worried about getting back upwind


when it takes longer to go upwind, you won't throw as many tricks in a heat, you'll score worse in a tournament especially in gusty conditions. It definitely matters.


1st nice way to take that out of context. 2nd this is about learning passes not stomping down 317's, or back mobe 5's on the pkra tour.

User avatar
dandaka
Frequent Poster
Posts: 305
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:33 pm
Kiting since: 2010
Local Beach: Kaliningrad, Russia
Favorite Beaches: Boracay, Philippines / Mui Ne, Vietnam
Style: unhooked / newschool / wakestyle
Gear: North Vegas 12m² 2012
North Vegas 9m² 2010
North Vegas 7m² 2010
North Team Series 131cm 2011
Mystic Warrior III Len10 2012
Contact:

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby dandaka » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:24 am

I got your point about C-kite to have max slack. What else except this?

DirkGently
Medium Poster
Posts: 137
Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:52 am
Kiting since: 2008
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby DirkGently » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:30 am

dandaka wrote:It really annoys to lose your try, when everything else fits except slack. I want to find simple tricks that can teach to get maximum slack.


whatever bro! the answer is being stronger then if you cant get slack with your kite. stronger on the takeoff, stronger on advancing your waist to the bar

the real trick no matter what the kite is to ensure you popped the f**k out of your takeoff, making sure you sink your tail as the final kick coming out of the water, and advancing on the bar for the pass just before apogee (your bodies peak height in the air).

for the blind judge make sure you are grabbing the correct side (back hand) of the bar on the pass and consciously steering it back up as the motion of pulling the bar will have steered the kite down.

(another reason some slack is nice, so the kite isn't as responsive steering during the pass part)

User avatar
dandaka
Frequent Poster
Posts: 305
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:33 pm
Kiting since: 2010
Local Beach: Kaliningrad, Russia
Favorite Beaches: Boracay, Philippines / Mui Ne, Vietnam
Style: unhooked / newschool / wakestyle
Gear: North Vegas 12m² 2012
North Vegas 9m² 2010
North Vegas 7m² 2010
North Team Series 131cm 2011
Mystic Warrior III Len10 2012
Contact:

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby dandaka » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:35 am

DirkGently, it does not explain a lot. Like "higher, faster, stronger" or "do it proper, man!"

As I said before, sometimes its super slack, sometimes its super powerful. I want to understand physics of it.

DirkGently
Medium Poster
Posts: 137
Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:52 am
Kiting since: 2008
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby DirkGently » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:48 am

The physics are stupid complicated. Here are a few variables off the top of my head that go into it and will all dynamically interact:

-your tack angle to the wind when unhooking
-your kites position in the window when unhooking
-the varying wind in your kite when unhooking (also, during loadup & after pop variability)
-the amount downwind you bear after you've unhooked
-the timing between your initial unhooking and the initiation of your progressive edge
-the angle & intensity of your progressive edge
-steering input during the progressive edge
-the dynamics of your ollie as you come out of the water
-the inertia of your body as it becomes seperated from its edge & advances on the kite

Like I said though, concentrating on going sinking your tail to go HIGHER helps, because getting height from your pop which means you had a good pop which should result in the kite slacking.

mrKnotty
Rare Poster
Posts: 4
Joined: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:18 pm
Kiting since: 5
Local Beach: Scheveningen, Netherlands
Style: free
Gear: Caution Mayhem, Shinn Luigi
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby mrKnotty » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:40 am

I love the type of breakdown DirkGently makes and Dandaka makes in his original posting.
I played around with popping as any intermediate kiteboarder has, but unfortunately I cannot hope to offer a solution. A proper breakdown that goes further than "edge hard then release" would help me a great deal. Intuitively I sometimes make the right moves, and most of the times I don't. I can't see why.

For a proper understanding, the meaning of the terms should be clear I think.
For example, what is "progressive edge"? And, what is exactly that you do when releasing? Is it the kite pulling you from your rail, or do you actively flatten your board you release the rail? Or even pop by stretching your legs?

Also it seems that when I build up a nice speed, I can't pop well, while at a moderate speed it works much better.

Ahh well, even after a proper decomposition of the actions, we are still left with the issue of timing. Talking only brings you so far I am afraid. I feel I learn a lot about timing by watching youtube movies from the bigger gods, but putting in practice is a different thing..
Thanks anyway all!

Tiago1973
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 763
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:58 pm
Kiting since: 2008
Local Beach: Portugal
Style: Freeriding
Brand Affiliation: None

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby Tiago1973 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:13 am

dandaka wrote:2. Are there any exercises to get maximum slack?

It really annoys to lose your try, when everything else fits except slack. I want to find simple tricks that can teach to get maximum slack.


I would love to see some answers on this

In other sport where i´m half good at I can put together some very simple drills that once practiced will improve your overall technique

Is there anything similar?

peet
Medium Poster
Posts: 130
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:31 pm
Kiting since: 2004
Style: Wakestyle
Gear: Airush Razor / Livewire / Cypher / Wave / Vantage
Shinn ADHD
Brand Affiliation: Team rider for Airush / Shinn
Contact:

Re: How to get maximum slack in lines for handlepasses?

Postby peet » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:22 am

Good topic :)

Easiest fix - get a good C kite :) Hadlow Pro ideally, but Fuel a good option!

Other tips - edge super hard before you pop, this will force the kite hard to the edge, giving it a good distance to drop back whilst airborne = slack. Your board and technique matter a lot, as you can 'slip out' of the edge which undoes all your hard work.

You mention the bar getting ripped out of your hand after completing the pass - that is very strange, before the pass is common, but not after... Are you sure about this?
Also are you riding in gusty conditions? This could explain the big differences between attempts.


Return to “Kitesurfing”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: scottnorby and 23 guests