Yes, very frequently, if not universally (outside ecological grounds) in my experience of dealing with these problems over the last dozen or so years in the US and beyond.
Asking for examples on a public forum is the same as asking for more bans. In short, it is a real bad idea.
Adversaries search for threads like this and negative information in general and may cite the examples given or use it in formulating policies/bans internally. It has happened plenty of times in the past. No one who wants to try to preserve kiting access should contribute examples to such a thread. I asked a similar question on here in 2002 or so and was shown the error of my ways in short order. If you provided an example, and care about access, I would delete it, seriously.
william_rx7 wrote:Is it really true that "Bad" riding (buzzing swimmers, violating swim areas, launching / landing on crowded beaches, treed kites), kiting accidents or boat rescues get beaches closed to kiting? Sure there's grumbling afterwards, but does it actually ever happen?
Laughingman:
No, I don't think "it is better to be disrespectful of others or endanger them".
I do think it's disrespectful to tell people what they think.
All:
I've pretty much got my answer.
1) Don't question group mentality about access. Even if there may be no stats to back it up.
2) We're all just one accident AND one forum post away from getting every spot closed... forever. So shhh....
william_rx7 wrote:Laughingman:
No, I don't think "it is better to be disrespectful of others or endanger them".
I do think it's disrespectful to tell people what they think.
no disrespect intended, I merely interpreted your post, it is quite cryptic so maybe you should explain first what you are trying to achieve with this thread?
Toby wrote:I think it already happened several times in the past!
Wasn't there an accident with a kid that got lifted from the lines on a UK beach?
Yeah. A kitesurfer trying to solo land her kite on the beach managed to get a 3yr old kid caught in the lines and lofted him! As a result the council banned kite buggying forever. Go figure.
Are you sure the ban wasn't because of a death from a collision by a land yacht?
My mistake I took this for a serious discussion. Given the silly comic figures it's just an attempt at trolling. Have fun l have other things to do myself.
Who said anything about one accident away from anything aside from yourself? In reality there may be MANY accidents, abuses, poor and dangerous riding behavior before restrictions start. The thing is, in many areas there have been YEARS of these problems in place already to bolster the case of adversaries. The clock has been ticking already in lots of cases in short.
It can be the one accident or incident that breaks the camels back however. One notable accident can shut down 160 miles of riding area, a few with one particularly nasty one might heavily restrict an entire country. There have been cases of a single notable accident shutting things off, so don't discount it.
Or, it can be a series of restrictions, bans, reinstatement, more restrictions and bans finally ending up with a permanent halt to kiting brought on by a combination of obvious factors. This too has been repeated in a number of areas.
The greatest cause of restrictions and bans in my experience by authorities is the perception of hazard, real, exaggerated or spot on in isolated cases. Also, complaints often by a very few pissed off but highly motivated individuals are high on the list of motivating factors.
Avoid being seen like a hazardous, inconsiderate twit though common sense, courtesy and good technique, motivate other kiters to do the same and your risk of being restricted or banned, drops. Many can't be bothered to undertake these simple steps for preservation of riding privileges, hence all the problems we face in access. They really do exist, do the research on your own and you'll see the truth of it.
Listing accidents causing bans publicly here just helps folks that want to shut us down. Pushing for that in the face of the obvious negative outcomes for kiting, makes this thread suspect.
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RickI wrote:Who said anything about one accident away from anything aside from yourself? In reality there may be MANY accidents, abuses, poor and dangerous riding behavior before restrictions start. The thing is, in many areas there have been YEARS of these problems in place already to bolster the case of adversaries. The clock has been ticking already in lots of cases in short.
It can be the one accident or incident that breaks the camels back however. One notable accident can shut down 160 miles of riding area, a few with one particularly nasty one might heavily restrict an entire country. There have been cases of a single notable accident shutting things off, so don't discount it.
Or, it can be a series of restrictions, bans, reinstatement, more restrictions and bans finally ending up with a permanent halt to kiting brought on by a combination of obvious factors. This too has been repeated in a number of areas.
The greatest cause of restrictions and bans in my experience by authorities is the perception of hazard, real, exaggerated or spot on in isolated cases. Also, complaints often by a very few pissed off but highly motivated individuals are high on the list of motivating factors.
Avoid being seen like a hazardous, inconsiderate twit though common sense, courtesy and good technique, motivate other kiters to do the same and your risk of being restricted or banned, drops. Many can't be bothered to undertake these simple steps for preservation of riding privileges, hence all the problems we face in access. They really do exist, do the research on your own and you'll see the truth of it.
Listing accidents causing bans publicly here just helps folks that want to shut us down. Pushing for that in the face of the obvious negative outcomes for kiting, makes this thread suspect.
+1.
Correct
Here in SoCal the spots have been close to having bans since back in the day. When I started in 2002 there were some spots that we were allowed to kite. Over the years due to people not following the rules and some accidents most spots are blackballed till after 6p when the lifeguards leave during summer. Yes, one (more) incident could cause a ban. Self policing is completely necessary. Those of us who have been around have had to do that. People relatively new don't know the backstory of what we had and what we have lost. It's not to be taken lightly!
Mark