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Johhnn
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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby Johhnn » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:23 am

Thank you, Pump Me Up, for your valuable post. You are right in so many ways. I can see how LEI's are far superior for riders who like to kite in limited spots where the wind is always strong, steady and within an acceptable range. For the rest of us, in the real world, we prefer a more adaptive wing that allows us to take advantage of the full range of conditions we may face. I've been out on skiis for the past 6 days, after a solid season on the water with the foilboard. There's no way an inflato would have worked on any of the days. Sure, an LEI would be great if my local spot had steady reliable winds. But it's always shifty, light and variable kinds of stuff. The foils stay airborne even in the lulls. And if there's a compete wind drop out, the relaunch is effortless when the wind returns. The foils make it fun to get out and ride, no matter what the wind is doing. The other day I had to run to get the kite in the air, but once airborne, I could ski as long as I wanted. I've got about 115 sessions this year, the vast majority (100+) of which were on the water, maybe 10 were on the LEI, the rest were all on the foils.

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby grigorib » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:55 am

PMU is like that doctor who's saying "eat less, exercise more, it's really good for you. If you need a proof, look at those pictures"
And bunch of people are like "nah, you're just a troll and foil shamer, your whole existence is just to make us feel bad"

I don't know where PMU takes the energy to repeat all the same, I'd rather kite...
Let's sum up: to win races in 2016-2017 you need a foil kite and a hydrofoil and tons of practicing both.
If you didn't already know that, it might be not a combination for you.

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby joriws » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:25 am

Pump me up wrote:
grigorib wrote:I could ride 15m Turbine (INFLATABLE) in less wind that my 19m Speed3 Deluxe partially because I can work the inflatable a bit. Just this October I stayed upwind in 6-7knots in OBX while 2 guys - one on S3 19m another on S3 21m ended up way downwind at the same time.
This is a familiar story. Large inflatables are MUCH better than ram airs in light wind.
That's weird because my 100kg+ was hauled on water + door twintip with previour generation racing foil when Turbines cannot fly nor launch.

But instead of just empty ignorant words I provide proofs.

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby socommk23 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:20 am

joriws wrote:
Pump me up wrote:
grigorib wrote:I could ride 15m Turbine (INFLATABLE) in less wind that my 19m Speed3 Deluxe partially because I can work the inflatable a bit. Just this October I stayed upwind in 6-7knots in OBX while 2 guys - one on S3 19m another on S3 21m ended up way downwind at the same time.
This is a familiar story. Large inflatables are MUCH better than ram airs in light wind.
That's weird because my 100kg+ was hauled on water + door twintip with previour generation racing foil when Turbines cannot fly nor launch.

But instead of just empty ignorant words I provide proofs.

phpBB [video]

I so wish i had a video of my last session. Was out in low winds with my aurora2 15m managing to stay up wind of 2 guys that had 17m lei kites. Was smiling ear to ear.

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby EricSanders » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:02 pm

Looking back on Memorial day here in Michigan, the wind was blowing 8-10mph and oddly enough, pretty consistently. I was the only one able to ride with my 22m Aurora and Spleen door. Staying upwind was almost a problem in that I had to do some down winders to keep from getting too off track. I had to be really careful to keep enough line tension in order not to fold the kite, (learned that the hard way, luckily I was able to relaunch).

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby grigorib » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:17 am

joriws wrote:
Pump me up wrote:
grigorib wrote:I could ride 15m Turbine (INFLATABLE) in less wind that my 19m Speed3 Deluxe partially because I can work the inflatable a bit. Just this October I stayed upwind in 6-7knots in OBX while 2 guys - one on S3 19m another on S3 21m ended up way downwind at the same time.
This is a familiar story. Large inflatables are MUCH better than ram airs in light wind.
That's weird because my 100kg+ was hauled on water + door twintip with previour generation racing foil when Turbines cannot fly nor launch.

But instead of just empty ignorant words I provide proofs.
I'm pretty sure you'd be able to ride that Turbine just fine.

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby Trickyh » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:04 pm

Pump me up wrote:
No - apart from windward legs in racing, ram airs are INFERIOR compared to inflatables in ALL other aspect of kiting. I'll post detailed reasons soon.


Pumpy :pump:

F-me! I've been a member of this forum for nearly ten years and you're still spouting this same crap! Isn't it time you found another hobby/girlfriend?

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby ShaveTheWhales » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:20 pm

So if the F-one Bandit holds the world water speed record ' why bother argueing.. :cool2:

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby socommk23 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:41 am

ShaveTheWhales wrote:So if the F-one Bandit holds the world water speed record ' why bother argueing.. :cool2:

Because the pilot obviously lacks the skill to fly a foil kite that would be faster.

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Re: foil kites vs inflatable racing kites for racing + foil boards vs race boards?

Postby ShaveTheWhales » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:51 pm

socommk23 wrote:
ShaveTheWhales wrote:So if the F-one Bandit holds the world water speed record ' why bother argueing.. :cool2:

Because the pilot obviously lacks the skill to fly a foil kite that would be faster.
Well that just makes Alex Caizergues that fastest kiter on the planet over foils and inflatables...

Hes 'Put Up'... so the rest will have to Shut Up...
Until they beat him :cool2:

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