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Postby marlboroughman » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:13 am
Why not downloop transition boardoff? Easier to control with one hand since you go with the flow. So you get the height, boardoff and even rotation.
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Postby kas911 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:37 pm
Toby wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:17 am
kjorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:57 pm
Toby wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:05 am
I think that changed. Luckily.
Nick J won and I don't remember seeing him doing a handlepass.
KOTA gets better every year! I wonder when guys like Reno Romeu go back to straps...he used to do nice boardoffs...I hope guys like him realize soon that just megaloops and rotations with grabs only will never win again. Judging looks more at variety these days.
We the kitesurf community should come up with a scoring sheet, so 10m kiteloop with board off scores more than a dangle pass. Is that possible? Is there a list of tricks?
We could never agree. Look at people like kas...just forget it. Unfortunately.
I'm just kidding guys
Of course a megaloop board board-off should score higher than a dangle-pass (airpass). Especially if its done without a handle, which is a little weird to put on a board. But a megaloop board-off VS. a megaloop backroll backside pass (hadlow) I would score the handlepass higher just because of the madness of unhooking midair in a megaloop
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Postby Toby » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:23 pm
Agreed.
But then comes height as well...
What scores more: 10m Hadlow Pass or 15m Aurelien BO?
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Postby slim_charles » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:06 pm
Toby wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:23 pm
What scores more: 10m Hadlow Pass or 15m Aurelien BO?
If you mean the kgb that won it a few yrs back then that hands down! As mentioned above, unhooking at 10m plus is f****** insane... different level to hooked bo although anything above 10m with a loop is pretty impressive imo.
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Postby Qiter » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:06 pm
I have seen Aurelien riding and he is just a very versatile rider, all kinds of great Airstyle tricks but also good in the Megaloop business and combining the two..
Certainly much more entertaining to watch than any of the Boots Brigade and the Wakestyle/ Handlepass Marionettes...
Good luck Aurelien at the KOTA this year, he was seriously underscored last year!
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Postby Teabageppo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:42 am
Riders like Aurelien capture the imagination of the majority of riders and the general public.
Increasing Interest through broadcasting essentially becomes monetized.
Why the big brands don't realise this (and continue to promote this specialised wakeboarding try-hard copycat) style as the pinnacle of the sport makes no sense to me.
It makes no business sense and the number of kite sales worldwide year on year support this.
If riders like Aurelien (Kevin L etc) are rewarded for their agility, height and variation, then these riders will push the boundaries of this 'King of the Air' style and who knows were they will take it. They could very well take it even beyond the risk profile of a KGB.
But as it stands, this tiny piss ant spastic monkey niche style of the sport is the one rewarded and promoted.
Nobody cares, nobody wants to watch it, nobody has any interest in it (because they can watch world class wakeboarders kick these try hard kiters ass any-day of the week)...therefore there is no money in it. Nobody being a relative term of course. Plenty on here who are experienced avid kiters will take the position that unhooking is indeed the pinnacle of the sport. Well good on ya..as I said nobody gives a damn. It looks like shit - relatively.
And yet....even the KIng of the Air is tainted with this unhooked stuff, that once again looks absolutely shit compared to the big jumping looping, board off guys...risk profile is higher ...then again they have always got boots and absorb far more speed and impact if they get it wrong...
I digress as these points can always be countered.
What can't be countered is the vastly reducing kite sales per year because the sport fails to capture the imagination of the public. The sport puts far too many resources into a style that has little financial return.
Yet I've showed the Aurelien clip to a number of people (non kiters) and they are like "wow!!!1".
the same kind of wow you get when you watch say a motocross freestyler doing a mad trick, or someone in a flying suite..that kind of WOW!!!
Show them Footage of a hadlow KGB...you get ..."yeh..nice" I suppose?
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Postby DWX » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:01 am
I’d be screaming like Janet Leigh in the shower scene, I mean the grandmother of all screen screams...
sure, anything that scares the living crap out of me just thinking about is a winner...
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Postby DWX » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:25 am
Teabag, it’s OK, give the dog a bone... don’t you like getting scared? Like when you see the blue slope rising behind you or you looped so hard your harness almost snapped? Let the show go on! It’s beautiful
You don’t have to keep up, spell every trick, or even understand it — that’s for the Starskys out there — just gasp, let yourself fall, feels good, man...
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Postby Toby » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:32 am
Why the big brands don't realise this (and continue to promote this specialised wakeboarding try-hard copycat) style as the pinnacle of the sport makes no sense to me.
It makes no business sense and the number of kite sales worldwide year on year support this.
Yes tea, this is the biggest mistake they are doing. Saying it since years...they still don't get it.
Now they hype strapless freestyle, because it is a great show and the guys rock the beach...they do, but, again a niche and guess what airstylers would do...and way more.
Tired of talking to them, so looks like I will go forward and do my own Airstyle events...and then we shall see who was right and who was wrong...
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Postby sarc » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:37 pm
Qiter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:06 pm
I have seen Aurelien riding and he is just a very versatile rider, all kinds of great Airstyle tricks but also good in the Megaloop business and combining the two..
Certainly much more entertaining to watch than any of the Boots Brigade and the Wakestyle/ Handlepass Marionettes...
Good luck Aurelien at the KOTA this year, he was seriously underscored last year!
"Boots Brigade and the Wakestyle/ Handlepass Marionettes". This is gold... I'm going to use this!
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