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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby Bossstyle » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:49 am

You mean you now have to spend £1200 on two bars that include some kind of chicken loop on the end if you want to go down the click Bar route and fly with duotone Kites properly? Wow! Bargain.

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby Chris_Kite » Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:17 pm

windmaker wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:26 am
Chris_Kite wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:44 am
f*** me, is this what this forum is all about!? Just a bunch of kite reps arguing constantly :(

Do all sports have this pettiness. You join a forum to learn and share a love of kiting and your greeted with a bunch of reps trying to show their worth with pathetic insults.
Yes, to learn and share.... the truth. Constructive criticism which makes us all better . Can't remember anyone insulting anyone.
Maybe, I went a little overboard with my comment. I see most people aren't fighting.

Constructive criticism is great but this Folholii guy is definitely a bit of an angry character?? And properly has an agenda. When you've got 2 of these people arguing its hard to find any useful info.
foilholio wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:47 am
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Is Ralf the idiot or are you? It is getting hard to tell at this point.

Let me state a few simple FACTs.

Turn speed relates to the AMOUNT of a rear line pulled, the more a rear line is pulled the faster a kite turns.

A larger bar pulls more of a rear line.

Therefore a larger bar makes a kite turn faster.

Now there is some conditions I could throw in there, but I am trying to expand it and also keep it simple so your brain can digest it. Or maybe like Ken or Ralph I just need to write pages and pages littered with rubbish and you will swallow it whole? Somewhere someone is laughing about this, hopefully it's not Ken or Ralph, because that would be quite sick. I tend to think of them as a bit stupid rather than evil.
Dan-at-Duotone wrote: Both Ralf and Ken have strong feelings about how to get the utmost performance from a kite
Then why do they argue against foil kites so much? Your statement is in contradiction of the facts. If they really care about performance they would have foil kites. They don't so they either don't care for performance or don't understand it (stupid).

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby foilholio » Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:31 am

Agenda, yes sick of hearing BS from Big Brands (BSBB). Particularly Dudes at Duotone Spouting Shit (DDSS).

So if you want some more BBSS and DDSS , then please GFY.

And yes I type angry.

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby atomic-chomik » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:02 am

Foilholio, if i didn't know you to be a knowledgeable guy from this forum i would write you off as a troll. Right now, your being an A%$hole man.

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby foilholio » Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:41 am

Could it be.... I am a knowledgeable troll. Here to both inform and lol.

I am sorry just getting sick of Ralf's "articles".

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby badgb21 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:46 am

The article starts with 'slowness' measured in time, I would assume?
It then goes on to measurements and angles, then on to 'feel'.
At no point does it make reference to time (time taken to turn kite) slowness.

Does a narrow bar make your kite slower?

The biggest misconception is that a narrow bar automatically makes a kite turn slower.


Conclusion.

Smaller kites do require smaller bars.
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I think the opening statement and conclusion are also a little at odds too.

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby windmaker » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:52 pm

Or how to make something really simple sound complicated....

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby foilholio » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:31 pm

Exactly. If Ralf has time to over elaborate on such a simply thing, what is he doing designing kites?

It's explained in a few words.

Bigger bars make kites turn faster.

Did he get into bar forces? and other things? No idea because I am not reading his whole thing cause it's as or more stupid than the last.

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby TheJoe » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:18 pm

foilholio wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:47 am
TheJoe wrote:
Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:45 pm
He is right though a bigger bar does not make a kite turn faster.
Is Ralf the idiot or are you? It is getting hard to tell at this point.

Let me state a few simple FACTs.

Turn speed relates to the AMOUNT of a rear line pulled, the more a rear line is pulled the faster a kite turns.

A larger bar pulls more of a rear line.

Therefore a larger bar makes a kite turn faster.

Now there is some conditions I could throw in there, but I am trying to expand it and also keep it simple so your brain can digest it. Or maybe like Ken or Ralph I just need to write pages and pages littered with rubbish and you will swallow it whole? Somewhere someone is laughing about this, hopefully it's not Ken or Ralph, because that would be quite sick. I tend to think of them as a bit stupid rather than evil.
Dan-at-Duotone wrote: Both Ralf and Ken have strong feelings about how to get the utmost performance from a kite
Then why do they argue against foil kites so much? Your statement is in contradiction of the facts. If they really care about performance they would have foil kites. They don't so they either don't care for performance or don't understand it (stupid).
Sorry but your wrong. It doesn't matter what size bar you have the kite turn speed does not change. The amount of leverage is what changes. I can fly a small bar and grab the steering line and pull it so the kite turns super tight and faster than if I used the bar or any bar for that matter. But that doesn't speed up the kites turn speed. Aerodynamics is what determines how fast a kite turns not the steering wheel. I don't care what size bar you use on a high aspect kite it will not turn faster than a low aspect kite. Nothing to do with the bars everything to do with the kite.

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Re: Different Bar Widths - Explained

Postby foilholio » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:41 am

And I am sorry you are an idiot.

You even argued against and disproved you own assertion while trying to prove it. Multi level stupid.

It's a simple concept. Am I surprised many people and those at some brands can't grasp it? Not really anymore, we have Trump after all.


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