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Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby Kamikuza » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:34 pm

Or 11? :lol:

Tried a Drifter 10 and other wave kites in 10m recently and liked them, but with our wind I wondered about a 12m for more bottom end. Not interested in chasing low wind riding, as the water is too flat on the lake, but when it gets to about 18 knots I want to ride a directional :D

Do they just become trucks above 10m or is it worth it?

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby Bushflyr » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:23 pm

Not worth it. Get a better planing board (Vanguard) and stick with a 10 or smaller. At 18kts I'm pretty well lit on my 7m Razor and 5.4 VG.

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby plummet » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:17 pm

I agree. 12m wave kite is batshit boring. Better to go higher aspect in the lighter winds.

That said at 77kg i'll just start to think about a 10m at 18 knots.

The larger guys here typically aren't getting into there 10m wave kites until 20 knots. They are typcially on 12's or bigger sub 20.

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby Bushflyr » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:06 pm

Totally depends on the board though. I'm 85kg and on my Global or any other normal surfboard I'd need a 9 or 10 in 18kts. With the VG I'm able to downsize about 2m. It just planes that much better.

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby flipper231 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:26 am

If you think about it... 2 m more is what 5cm more all along the trailing edge? If you kite in 10m conditions, 15 to 27 knots (there is room t both ends here), a 12m will be a 10m for bigger guys, if you are in 12m conditions, (12+knots), a 10m will be a 12m for lighter people.

Given it is the same kite model, a 12m gives you bit more lowed but marginally, and will shave a few knots at the top. I prefer a 10m over a 12m and when I need more power, I jump to 14m. Yes sometimes, the wind is right in between.


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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby BigZ » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:39 am

Even at 220 pounds I don't bother with bigger than 10m on directional in waves. 10m works for me in 16-20 knots. 18-25 I am good on 8m. Over 25 it is time for 6m.

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby Kamikuza » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:21 pm

flipper231 wrote:If you think about it... 2 m more is what 5cm more all along the trailing edge? If you kite in 10m conditions, 15 to 27 knots (there is room t both ends here), a 12m will be a 10m for bigger guys, if you are in 12m conditions, (12+knots), a 10m will be a 12m for lighter people.

Given it is the same kite model, a 12m gives you bit more lowed but marginally, and will shave a few knots at the top. I prefer a 10m over a 12m and when I need more power, I jump to 14m. Yes sometimes, the wind is right in between.


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Will the difference in speed, drift and float be noticeable?

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby Frappes » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:31 pm

Kamikuza wrote:
flipper231 wrote:If you think about it... 2 m more is what 5cm more all along the trailing edge? If you kite in 10m conditions, 15 to 27 knots (there is room t both ends here), a 12m will be a 10m for bigger guys, if you are in 12m conditions, (12+knots), a 10m will be a 12m for lighter people.

Given it is the same kite model, a 12m gives you bit more lowed but marginally, and will shave a few knots at the top. I prefer a 10m over a 12m and when I need more power, I jump to 14m. Yes sometimes, the wind is right in between.


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Will the difference in speed, drift and float be noticeable?
Obviously it depends on the kite, but figure you are adding at least 20% more weight to the kite. The difference in turning speed and drift will definitely be noticeable, and not in a good way when you are trying to ride waves.

My opinion is, if it's not windy enough to surf with a 10m, then you should just go surfing (or get a foil).

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby Kamikuza » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:26 am

That's kinda my opinion too, but there are times when I just can't get it on with the 10m (2011 Crossbow 10m, that is :o), but other guys are doing fine. I know my Duke isn't suited to low end riding, so I've got another board coming.

Maybe 11m would be better :D

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Re: Much difference between 10 and 12?

Postby ble » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:36 pm

What is the usage of the 13m size drifter then? I was offered a good deal for 2016 drifter in size of 13m. Am 95kg weight, since 2016 this kite has setting for a freeride ride, mainly bought it to to get on water at slower winds then 8ms. Currently with switchblade 10m and twintip riding on 8m - 12ms wind. Is this a bad deal for me?


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