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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Toby » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:48 pm

30+ and wakestyle? that's when normally the wakesylers change to big air ;-)

I ride seat harness...but the hook sits higher. My back does not take the power with a waist harness.

What about you guys?

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby plummet » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:40 am

You guys are holding some serious wads of power for you weight.

I'm getting teabagged to hell in 25 knots on my 13m. That said I don't have a small board. So that could be a lot of it.

In 23-25 knots i can jump high and glide longer on my 10m that i can on my 13m. Granted i have to fly the 10 more actively to get a pillowy soft landing.

I wonder if Its that fact that i have a larger board than normal and simply just can't hold enough edge on the 13m in those winds.

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Toby » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:46 am

a friend of mine just reported holding the Rebel 18 til 24 knots...and he has about 78 kg or so, not very experienced, safe rider, working on deadman etc.

A lot is about technique. And the right gear...like a long depower, small board, riding slow etc

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Lanc » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:12 am

I am 70kg using a waist harness and for my airstyle sessions I use:
14m from 12-16kn
11m for 15-20kn
8m for 18-28kn
5m for 26kn+
Mostly ride a 132cm board but have an old small 120cm I need to try use more.

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Zkatez » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:55 am

I have to consider a lot more then just temperature (watersurface, turbulence, forecast), but ideal conditions 20-25 is 16m. Now testing rebel 18, definitely possible. Chrono 15m would be great.
I am 78kg.
I think most kites that perform well for airstyl, are kites that perform well in there high end. I find long lines difficult in the high end of a kite. You have to downsize earlier. Also prefer standard 25m for timing issue.

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Westozzy » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:54 pm

Just got off the 2015 dyno 13m in 18 to 20 (at 75kg) and it could have gone a shit load more.

Sweet, sweet , sweet airstyle kite....was on soft bar settings and was a tad too quick on 25m lines, hopefully slow it down enough on the hard bar setting.

Not sure how they have done it, but it didn't matter on what throw you sent it. Worked on both a bow and a C kite technique. Got me scratching my head. The best jumps were a kind of in between technique.

I was also on my medium board 135 by 41 can't wait to get it out in 20 to 25 on the airstyle board (126 by 36)..

Worth checking out folks. Not as rock solid as the 2011 wing, but it was gusty I suppose. Just Fcking unreal.

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Zkatez » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:50 pm

Westozzy wrote:Just got off the 2015 dyno 13m in 18 to 20 (at 75kg) and it could have gone a shit load more.

Sweet, sweet , sweet airstyle kite....was on soft bar settings and was a tad too quick on 25m lines, hopefully slow it down enough on the hard bar setting.

Not sure how they have done it, but it didn't matter on what throw you sent it. Worked on both a bow and a C kite technique. Got me scratching my head. The best jumps were a kind of in between technique.

I was also on my medium board 135 by 41 can't wait to get it out in 20 to 25 on the airstyle board (126 by 36)..

Worth checking out folks. Not as rock solid as the 2011 wing, but it was gusty I suppose. Just Fcking unreal.
You sound a lot more enthousiast about this dyno then the rebel 18. Did you get to try out the rebel around and above 20kn yet? How was it?

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Toby » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:26 am

how high did you get in which wind?

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Westozzy » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:49 am

Zkatez wrote:
Westozzy wrote:Just got off the 2015 dyno 13m in 18 to 20 (at 75kg) and it could have gone a shit load more.

Sweet, sweet , sweet airstyle kite....was on soft bar settings and was a tad too quick on 25m lines, hopefully slow it down enough on the hard bar setting.

Not sure how they have done it, but it didn't matter on what throw you sent it. Worked on both a bow and a C kite technique. Got me scratching my head. The best jumps were a kind of in between technique.

I was also on my medium board 135 by 41 can't wait to get it out in 20 to 25 on the airstyle board (126 by 36)..

Worth checking out folks. Not as rock solid as the 2011 wing, but it was gusty I suppose. Just Fcking unreal.
You sound a lot more enthousiast about this dyno then the rebel 18. Did you get to try out the rebel around and above 20kn yet? How was it?

Well no not really. It's a 13m ...it's a good option at that size for a 75kg rider in 20 to 25. Previously I was on the 12m rebel and it just didn't have enough 'wang' for those conditions where you are like, should I put up the 18 or not given the water conditions.

The 18m rebel, I've had it near 20 but not quite. We've had a real slow start to the season. I almost need to consider a seat harness I think and maybe even a smaller board than the 126 to go beyond that..unless it's super flat and consistent wind. But the more I ride the rebel 18 the better it gets...I suppose like all kites. I'm starting to get some relatively high jumps (you know the ones where you go...okay I need to focus here or I may get get seriously hurt)...and the hangtime is extraordinary. It's got a super direct feel. The hangtime seems to really kick in on the descent...you don't get that lift that more aspect in a kite gives you..but on the descent that open centre becomes more parachute like, you always seem to have more time than you think you have to get the board back on.

The height generated by the 13m dyno was impressive given only 18 to 20. It seems the more C kite crank you give it, the higher you go...but you gotta watch that pendulum effect the more power you have in throw when you send it. Somewhere in between a full blown C power load and send and a depower fully bow send seems to give the best of both worlds. Height and hang.

Was only my first real session so some dialing in needed. But I think that extra race aspect a wing forward speed works in that size for this model. Of course it won't give you the hang on the 18 just not enough canopy but enough to push the tricks. The bridalling is fkcn weird hey and as someone said ages ago it really does give a mechanical direct feel for a bridalled kite. The struts are so thin you laugh when pumping them up. Wonder about durability? Upwind angles to get back to your mark are insane. But been a while since I have got on a kite for its first session and gone yeh man this wing is bang on!

I still maintain they need to breed a bit more aspect into the rebel, to get it a little closer to the 2011 dyno especially for the big boys. Give that extra forward flying grunt generation..that consistent pull at the edge of the window we all enjoy.

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Re: Airstyle kite size in 25 knots

Postby Zkatez » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:42 pm

[/quote]I almost need to consider a seat harness I think and maybe even a smaller board than the 126 to go beyond that..unless it's super flat and consistent wind. But the more I ride the rebel 18 the better it gets...I suppose like all kites. I'm starting to get some relatively high jumps (you know the ones where you go...okay I need to focus here or I may get get seriously hurt)...and the hangtime is extraordinary. It's got a super direct feel. The hangtime seems to really kick in on the descent...you don't get that lift that more aspect in a kite gives you..
I still maintain they need to breed a bit more aspect into the rebel, to get it a little closer to the 2011 dyno especially for the big boys. Give that extra forward flying grunt generation..that consistent pull at the edge of the window we all enjoy.[/quote]


@ Westozzy
I am also having trouble getting to know this kite. The feel and behavior of the kite seems to change with the condition you ride in. Or it's just me?
Me too had the feeling for the first time that I needed a smaller board.
My first session, I was shocked by the directness of the kite (I am used to rebels for years now). At one point the kite was moving the bar (in steering movements-left/right) in sted of the bar moving the kite!
Feels very different on flat water.
I find it very slow in initiating a turn and picking up speed first few meters and then the opposite happens. Once picking up speed, it picks up power a lot and fast. Boy.. I can break the dyno out alot easier with my board then the rebel. It almost dragged me up the beach few times.
For now, maybe I have to tune in, but the rebel is really good and really bad for transitions. I had Toby-like 360/720 b-offs al of a sudden. Great. Normally, I bearly make it. Now I saw myself coming down with board already on. But if I wanted to do Tip Touch of the beach, or plain b-off tt (where you stop the movement of the kite a little)..nothing. (No power on demand- like dyno. Rebel needs speed i quess. So probably technic thing, but was very noticible.

I agree, it does not haven the fantastic grunt of the dyno. I miss it. Makes dyno playfull. But imo you have the wrong idea of why that is. IMO (I hear from you if I am wrong) are the kites that go far to the edge of the window (racy kites) the kites that usually give less grunt. Dyno is acception.It s a racekite than keeps power on demand, due to deep profile and thick le.


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