For me it is using that glide to create drive and speed to get those tight turns it. So comparing to shortboard style is fair in my opinion. Just gliding down the wave face like Buzzy is doing, is neither technically difficult or challenging for me.juandesooka wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:25 pmBack to defining what "proper" means. If we're trying to impress our surfing friends, or even kitesurf friends, the measure is inevitably comparing to typical shortboard surfing: top to bottom turns right in the pocket, with vertical 180 turns on the wave face. Anything short of that is judged "lame" and "not really surfing".slowboat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:40 pmThere is a lot of talk about turns on a wave. I just try to get a wave/swell to engage my foil and drift my kite and ride as long as possible. Then go back upwind and do it again. To me the key sensation is the energy of the water engaging the foil. Trying to turn a foil on a wave face is too hard at my skill level and not really necessary to get the sensation we are seeking.
But the funny thing is: when I am surfing these days, I am half the time on a longboard and now half the time on a sup, both of which I mostly just get trim and glide, with some slow swooping turns thrown in for variety. Realistically I haven't attempted a radical shortboard style in 15+ years ... so it's a little unrealistic to think I am suddenly going to have one on a foil! Looking at the foiling demographic, I see a lot more middle agers + than young rippers.
My point being, if comparing to surfing, the shortboard style is probably an unfair comparison. As TomTom says, if this is mostly about glide, then comparisons to longboarding may be more appropriate. And if so, the measure of performance may be less about being radical and more about doing it with style and grace. Something to think about maybe.
My training goal lately has been to "stomp" the turns ... sharp 180 turns, not wide long ones. It feels really good when it works -- you know you're doing it right when you back leg quad gets sore from the strain.gmb13 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:06 pmGetting tighter and tighter turns is feels amazing so far, and there is still a lot of room for improvement on my part. Wing design can also further improve with wings that can handle breaching even better (like the new race wings) so turns off the lip with the wings throwing spray are possible. Also all the footage so far has been on my switch (weak) side. I am sure that if we ever get some wind from the right I will be able to get much better riding on camera.
On the other hand, I also want to get more into the longboard style too with foiling. eg. Cross stepping etc. Combining all that on a wave whilst making turns should be epic.
This is the problem with negative peope, their attention is focused on the man on the foil when there is a mysterious hottie on the twin tip.juandesooka wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:25 pmPS style and grace ... or maybe not. This photo was one of the most ridiculed "kook of the day" posts ever. A foiler emulating the classic longboard cross-step to nose ride ... if this was on a 12' longboard, it would be considered stylish. On a foil it's considered a lame circus trick. The lesson being: no point even trying to impress the haters, as they're gonna hate no matter what. Do what feels good, "ride like no one's watching", let the rest of the kooks deal with their own inadequacies on their own.