jespin4845 wrote:I dont care what anyone says, shutting the power off of the kite and riding the non-breaking wave that i thought 7 months ago was impossible to ever catch is fun as hell
Yea its not bottom turns and what not in surfing in a traditional sense, but doing s carves and catching that flow of water is riding the wave to me, especially when ur kite goes slack and u feel like ur laird hamilton in those videos u watched as a kid
Precisely, very well put !
If anybody doubts whether it is SURFING, they havent tried it themeselves yet...
Anyone who has learned to foil, and doing S carves, knows what a huge impact even a 1 foot wave has on glide and speed and freedom.
So when you carve around in a 1-2 foot wave, you get a huge powerspike in terms of speed and glide, and you can let the kite hang drifting
Even with a relatively big amount of experience, I am still amazed and feels awesome, when you do a sharp turn when powered on the light side, and you feel the acceleration in the turn - you can actually get more "kick" in the turn in terms of power, if done sharp, particulary in really light wind !!!
An awesome and unexpected feel - but everyone who carves/ride waves knows what I am talking about
The power from the wave is in fact much higher than when on a surfboard - because a hydrofoil is much more sensitive and because of the low drag it accelerates faster - which you can feel immediately - AWESOME !
But agree, got nothing to do with regular waveriding, so only time will tell what we find works - doing DTL carves is of course what we try as used to it, and it works great IMO, but it might develop to something else, just like noone really wants to jump much anymore (if used to waveboards), simply boring, compared, just occasionally doing a megajump just for the feel and knowing you can - nothing but that
Regarding fuselage lenght or stabilizer size (or rear stabilizer V/upsweep or not).
If you have a short fuselage or no stab, you can "twist" the hydrofoil easier, yes.
But this is not turning IMO, just sideslipping which feels so wrong.
To have some stab area/length gives you the right driving surf feel - just like if you try to ride waves with a finless skimboard - it can turn on a dime it seems, but actually it does not turn at all and feels wrong
So some area is important for the "surf" feel IMO - I think most knows what I mean.
This is why we see most race oriented hydrofoils having no stab area at all (or no anhedral/dihedral rear stabilizer) - as it gives the lowest drag and you can turn tight on tacks, instead of the good surf turn feel many of us likes.
Also, the mast and COE has to be quite aft (almost the same thing) - meaning the mast can not be just above the front wing, as then you get a stiff and not driving foil at all, very wrong - IMO almost the same as having no stab or no rear wing up/downsweep/dihedral
So being able to twist the board as fast as possible, is IMO far from what gives you the best driving surfy feel in the turns/carves.
Of course, there might be a point where it will feel too stiff if too stable in terms of yaw - I dont know - but havent met that wall yet...
Narrow wings versus bigger wings ?
Disagree that big wings in terms of span, can turn just as fast - I experience the opposite.
Yes, when you are learning, a narrow wing is way easier to turn, and later you learn to turn the higher span wings tighter too - but it is WAY easier to turn a low span wing fast, and even more important - what I mean with "bubbles" is in tight carves, the bigger span will often have some or a lot of ventilation/cavitation of some kind - easy to spot on video when doing 360s on different wings.
I am a firm believer that it is better to avoid these bubbles if you can - eventhough often the wing dont really stall it seems, but it does not seem right
Difficult to explain, and maybe nobody knows what I mean ?
Still, an awesome thread this is, and the very reason I love hydrofoiling, is the ability to play and feel even the smallest waves when out carving around