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Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:30 pm

I cant remember having seen such a list ?

But obviously many brands use one type of box only, and others can offer different "heads" on their foils.

The boards though, are typically always one system, but which ?
Might be different on different boards and age of one brand, but could we make a list ?
Copy and add the missing ones, thank you :thumb:

Please append and correct if errors, I have just started the list now in no particular order, and added many question marks :D

We have different plate types and measurements where 90x165mm seems the most used earlier but others are used, and then we have
KFBox 1 screw
KFBox 2 screws
ProBox
Tuttle (Std)
Chinook Medium Tuttle
Deep Tuttle

I wont show the drawing details, but for others being able to recognize and choose easily, I made an overview of these 5, pic put down below - hope it can help some :thumb:

8) PF

List of board/foil box/plate systems
Updated 20160813 11:10 UTC

Ketos
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw M6.
A 110x165/175/190mm carbon adapter is offered.
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.


Takoon
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw M6 (Ketos production).
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.


F-One
Boards: KFBox two screws.
Foils: KFBox two screws M6.
Meaning boards should be compatible with one screw masts if drilling a center hole.


Alpine
Boards: KFBox one screw or 2 Screws if ordering with Ultimate or Titanium Foils. Alpine will install a second hole if requested on all boards.
Foils: KFBox one screw M6 standard or 2 screws standard if ordering Ultimate or Titanium Foils. Alpine will install a second screw if requested on all foils.
Boards compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.
KFBox adapter to 4 bolt mount available for carbon foils.
Replacement heads for Aluminum foils provide KFBox, Tuttle Box, or 4 Bolt Plate mounting options.


TheKiteFoil
Boards: KFBox adjustable position two screws (but one could be used also, great idea with the long track).
Foils: KFBox two screws M6, or plate ??x???mm.
Or any other box on the foil head on request.


Sroka Foil
Boards: ProBox.
Foils: ProBox M6.


Taaroa
Boards: ProBox.
Foils: ProBox M6. Also offering Std or Deep Tuttle ? KFBox 2 or 1 screw ?


Horue
Std Tuttle and/or Deep Tuttle ? Using M7 instead of M6.


Spotz
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6. Also offering Probox ? KFBox 2 or 1 screw ?
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Axis
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6.
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Delta
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6.
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Gong
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6.
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Zeeko
Boards: 85x160mm plate.
Foils: 85-90x160-165mm plate with slots for 6-8mm screws. Or Std Tuttle M6 ? offered on carbon masts.
Foils before 2015: 85x165mm plate.
Older and newer Zeeko foils fits all zeeko boards old and new. New foils fit other brands 90x165mm boards. Boards does not fit other brand 90x165mm foils though.


Moses
Boards: 90x165mm plate 6mm screws.
Foils: 90x165mm plate 7mm holes.
Boards/foils till around 2014/15 plate 68x148mm 7mm holes 6mm screws.


Levitaz
Boards: 90x165mm plate 8mm screws.
Foils: 90x165mm plate 10mm holes.


Liquid Force
Boards: 90x140mm plate.
Foils: 90x140mm plate.
Fixed in Funny Foil and Foil Fish board.
Sliding 90mm width in Happy Foil board.
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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby kitet » Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:49 am

It's a great idea to start this list and pin it at the top of the forum. Thank you for doing this. Moses is plate (std 90x165)

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby cglazier » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:15 am

Top foil manufacturers like Taaroa and Levitaz will put a Tuttle, or KF Box or ProBox head on their masts for you. It is a simple manufacturing step done after the mast is made.

We all wish there was a standard. In North America the Tuttle seems very common but we shall see which wins. Remember it is not about which box is best from an engineering point of view, it is who gets the biggest market acceptance. Plate mounts are virtually never used for high performance but do get used with the thin boards.

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Rakky » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:38 am

Great topic.
I was looking into F-one board, and wondered which other company masts would fit the board.

Guess we are going through the VHS/Betamax growing pain - to be replaced by CDs, followed by internet!

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:35 am

cglazier wrote:Top foil manufacturers like Taaroa and Levitaz will put a Tuttle, or KF Box or ProBox head on their masts for you. It is a simple manufacturing step done after the mast is made.

We all wish there was a standard. In North America the Tuttle seems very common but we shall see which wins. Remember it is not about which box is best from an engineering point of view, it is who gets the biggest market acceptance. Plate mounts are virtually never used for high performance but do get used with the thin boards.

:wink: CG
So true, but only to some extent.

If it was from an engineering point, there would only be two, namely the ProBox for racing and the KFBox for other and thinner boards - but the plate is still udeful when it has to be easy to mount on "anything" so also good, but it could be obtained with an adapter head also.

These two because of the conical sides and the screws that are in line with the mast and not angled like on the Deep and Std Tuttle, so the latter is an ancient design from the tail of windsurf boards where the angle somewhat followed the tail tapering out.

But a standard will not be an option overall, as the ProBox is way too big for allround boards, but suits raceboards.
The KFBox only needs 4cm thick boards, but 2cm also an option.
Many will prefer the ease of drilling holes and mounting a plate on existing hard-core boards, and easier to make adjustable or move, and can be used on every board, besides a good load distribution where boxes can be tough to build strong into the boards.

Thus at least three are necessary :thumb:

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Changed a bit since the first post, as I agree, the plate has a good load distribution.
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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:55 am

List of board/foil box/plate systems
Updated 20160807 10:59 UTC

Ketos
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw.
A 110x165/175/190mm carbon adapter is offered.
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.


Takoon
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw (Ketos production).
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.


F-One
Boards: KFBox two screws.
Foils: KFBox two screws.
Meaning boards should be compatible with one screw masts if drilling a center hole.


Alpine
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw.
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.
Adapter seem to be offered ?


Sroka Foil
Boards: ProBox.
Foils: ProBox.


Horue
Std Tuttle and/or Deep Tuttle ?


Taaroa
Boards: Deep Tuttle.
Foils: Deep Tuttle. Also offering ProBox ? KFBox 2 or 1 screw ?


Spotz
Boards: Std Tuttle.
Foils: Std Tuttle. Also offering Probox ? KFBox 2 or 1 screw ?
The Std Tuttle can also be used in Deep Tuttle boards.


Zeeko
Boards: 85x160mm plate.
Foils: 85-90x160-165mm plate with slots for 6-8mm screws. Or Std Tuttle offered on carbon masts.
Foils before 2015: 85x165mm plate.
Older and newer Zeeko foils fits all zeeko boards old and new. New foils fit other brands 90x165mm boards. Boards does not fit other brand 90x165mm foils though.


Moses
Boards: 90x165mm plate 6mm screws.
Foils: 90x165mm plate 7mm holes.
Boards/foils till around 2014/15 plate 68x148mm 7mm holes 6mm screws.


Levitaz
Boards: 90x165mm plate 8mm screws.
Foils: 90x165mm plate 10mm holes.


Liquid Force
Boards: 90x140mm plate.
Foils: 90x140mm plate.
Fixed in Funny Foil and Foil Fish board.
Sliding 90mm width in Happy Foil board.


TheKiteFoil
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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Horst Sergio » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:16 am

:thumb: Great idea Frank:

and also agree with your last post. But also the plate in my eyes is still a good systems as with rails with a changeable position and also for higher performance (think also some worldcuppers still use it). From a guy who repairs boards I heard there are many issues with all box systems, less with with plates with its better load allocation. I think the most beautiful, engineered solution is the elongated KFBox used by the boards Ketos sells.

From own measurements and with the year as some firms changed over the time:

Levitaz (always):
Plate 165 x 90 cm with 10 mm holes for M8 screws

Moses (old "Silence" strut and old Boards till ca. 2014/15):
Plate 148 x 68 mm with 7 mm holes for M6 screws

Moses (new "Fluente and VRace" strut and new Boards from ca. 2015):
Plate 165 x 90 cm

Zeeko (old till 2014 strut and TILL NOW boards):
Plate 160 x 85 cm with 7 mm holes for M6 screws

Zeeko (since 2015 strut):
Plate 160-165 x 85-90 cm slots for M6 - M8 (alu) screws

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby pstkk » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:55 am

There is also a deep KF-box. It's used on the new Fone race foil.

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby m_elo » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:05 pm

One quite important information is missing from the lists:

Zeeko foil board mounting hole positioning on the bottom of the board is:
85 x 160mm .. like this:
http://issuu.com/zeeko-kites.com/docs/p ... 9/36075271

Zeeko foil mast mounting plate has holes for 85 x 160mm and 90 x 165mm positionings (oval holes).. So if you'd like to use your Zeeko board with the foils where mast mounting plate holes are positioned as 90 x 165mm only, you have to drill new holes.

TKF has similar kind of adapter plate like Zeeko foil part has; there are holes for 85 x 160mm and 90 x 165m positionings. TKF has KFBOX adapter with 2 (M8) screws also.

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:10 pm

pstkk wrote:There is also a deep KF-box. It's used on the new Fone race foil.
Just saw this yes, so should be same box but higher right ?

Assume it must be two 6mm screws 80mm apart box 120x25x??? what height ?
Anyone who can supply with dimensions ?

In order to be able to use a Std KFBox in a deep box, I assume it is made higher and nothing else, to support more load for racing and windfoiling right ?

Otherwise they would have chosen a ProBox I assume.

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