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pitbulldoug
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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby pitbulldoug » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:18 am

pikovsg wrote:Rode 548 wing today and super disappointed. Lots drag and vibration. Worse than my hoverglide...
Could you elaborate a bit more on the 548 wing as I just was about to pull the trigger on one,what's your approx weight and what wing have you been using?are you using the
Fluente foil or?and what kind of riding are you doing free ride in the waves?flat water where did you try it out,any other info be great.thx

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby live2play » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:16 am

Frank Rosin wrote:Very versatile combo.
Will be my main go to wing set this year I believe.
(as the Vorace Free Race 560/330 was in 2016)
Currently mostly switching between Fluente and Vorace Competition, which this set sits nicely in between.
Do you think that the new wings will ride similar to last year's Vorace Free Race setup?

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:37 am

live2play wrote:
Frank Rosin wrote:Very versatile combo.
Will be my main go to wing set this year I believe.
(as the Vorace Free Race 560/330 was in 2016)
Currently mostly switching between Fluente and Vorace Competition, which this set sits nicely in between.
Do you think that the new wings will ride similar to last year's Vorace Free Race setup?
To be precise with my answer I will ride them back to back for you today!
Will report later.

Cheers
Frank
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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:11 pm

pikovsg wrote:Rode 548 wing today and super disappointed. Lots drag and vibration. Worse than my hoverglide...
That really sounds like you rode something else or something has to be wrong with your particular overall setup.
Do you have any local support that may help you to figure it out?
What is the rest of your foil that you used it with?

live2play wrote:Do you think that the new wings will ride similar to last year's Vorace Free Race setup?
I tested back to back today:
2016 Vorace Free Race (560/330 wings) and 2017 Vorace Sport (558/330 wings)

Both great performing and smooth, quiet, fast riding foils.
The wings basically feel the same I'd say, the frontwings may only have changed a little in the tip area, but need to confirm with Moses headquaters.
Anyways, there was not really a need for change on my main 2016 wing set.

Also rode the new T60 board the first time. Not enough for a proper detailed report, but enough to approve a great product.

Cheers,
Frank
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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby live2play » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:44 pm

Frank thanks for your feedback, especially so quickly!

Wonder what oses was aiming to change with small differences in wings between the 2016 Vorace Free Race and 2017 Vorace Sport?
Also, which type of rider is the new T60 targeted at?

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:53 am

live2play wrote:Frank thanks for your feedback, especially so quickly!

Wonder what oses was aiming to change with small differences in wings between the 2016 Vorace Free Race and 2017 Vorace Sport?
Also, which type of rider is the new T60 targeted at?

Got feedback from Moses regarding the 558 and 560 front wings difference:
It was only a little tweak of the wing tips with the aim to add a little extra riding stability.

That is what I highly appreciate about Moses' philosophy, a product that is considered to be very good (as mentioned it was my main and preferred wing set in 2016) and already highly refined, is being worked on to make still a little bit better again. Even if it is very little details that are hard to see and may not immediately obvious when giving it a quick go.

The T60 is a very good allround board which nicely sits in between the T40 and the Comet.
It can be learned on, it can be raced on, can be ridden freeriding with or without straps.... hard to put in one category, hard to go wrong with this board if it is on your shortlist.

Cheers,
Frank
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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Lisovoy » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:37 pm

Hello, Frank. Really need more information about Moses Easy 41 short mast for learning and really shallow water. Already have Moses Fluente 91. Still total noob in HF

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:26 pm

Lisovoy wrote:Hello, Frank. Really need more information about Moses Easy 41 short mast for learning and really shallow water. Already have Moses Fluente 91. Still total noob in HF

So far only tested the wing set of the Easy, but only on the Fluente 91 mast.
Wings are good for learning and moderate speed wave- and freeriding.
Still need to test the 41cm mast.
Will try to do in one of my next sessions.

The 41 is targeting learners, for shallow water riding it is more the 71 that is considered to be the choice for proper riding without being limited too much.
But I will test all this myself shortly.
I just set up my board with the 71 to test tomorrow.
41 has to wait until another session.

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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:42 pm

Lisovoy wrote:Hello, Frank. Really need more information about Moses Easy 41 short mast for learning and really shallow water. Already have Moses Fluente 91. Still total noob in HF
Had the chance to ride the 71cm and also the 41cm mast today.
Really fun session!

The 71 gives a proper fun foil. I could do all maneuvers with it, while taking more care on riding height of course.
A great solution for shallower spots, just having fun with something different for a change, working on precise riding skills and possibly a very good jumping length (I am riding strapless only...).

The 41 is a different story. But had a fun session playing with that one too.
Quite tricky to control riding height between board touching water and wing getting air.

Just quickly cutting a raw video clip of playing with the 41.

Here are a few pics already.

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71cm with 558/330

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71cm with 558/330
It's all save :)

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41cm with 548/330

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41cm with 548/330

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41cm with 548/330

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Frank
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Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:36 pm

41 cm ?

I still dont get it, makes no sense IMO :o

Everybody not into foiling is asking for "short masts", so of course every brand HAS to make one, but it is utter rubbish IMO :wink:

A hype amongst beginners that is really bad if you ask me - kiteschools who only got a few hours to teach hydrofoiling is a different matter, but apart from that, no way Jose :(

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