Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

Moses HF 2017

A forum dedicated to Hydrofoil riders


User avatar
Starsky
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 4135
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:12 pm
Kiting since: 0
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Ontario

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Starsky » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:59 am

My first day wasn't pretty either. Totally gobsmacked that I had failed completely despite being what I considered rather advanced with traditional boards: 1/2hr. Day two was able to surface ride: 3/4 hr. Day three was kangaroo: 1 hr. Day four was steady flight 1hr. Plenty of crashing after that, but It all happened pretty quick. I can see how a super short mast would have made session 1 into session 2. A med mast would have made session 2 into session 3, and in the end it would have saved me about an hour and a half on the learning curve. I can also see how your mileage may vary. I bet its all a bit less intimidating with shorter masts, and granted, that could make or break your experience, but for anyone ready to persevere, its simply not a necessary step.

Anyone who has learned on a full length mast will feel like its possible.
Anyone who learned on a short mast will feel that is the way to go.

IMHO a short carbon mast seems like a crazy waste of cash, but whatever, people waste their cash all the time.

TomW
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1466
Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:43 pm
Kiting since: 2001
Local Beach: Vejbystrand
Gear: Homemade 4-8 compact
Slingshot 5-8 Celeritas
Slingshot Space pickle
Slingshot Rally 8&10
Core XR3 12m
Core XR2 Lw 17m
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Sweden

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby TomW » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:16 am

I think you are right Starsky.
Now that I'm flying solo on the 91 cm strut, My thought is that having lessons, instructor 1 to 1 with radio for first 3-4 sessions, in decent conditions, would allow any proficient kiter to learn on full length strut. probably same cost as a shorter strut purchase. I think I learned some safety tricks, mainly how to eject and keep board from doing helicopter axe thing.
That said, I'm making a 70cm strut for our shallow spots at home.

WH Lithuania
Medium Poster
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:45 pm
Kiting since: 2007
Local Beach: Svencele, Monciskes, Akinio Nasrai (Lithuania)
Favorite Beaches: Svencele, Monciskes, Akinio Nasrai (Lithuania)
Style: wakestyle, wave
Gear: Wainman Hawaii Gypsy, Mr. Green, Smoke, Punch, Boss, Joke 138 with boots, Magnum 6'2''
Brand Affiliation: Wainman Hawaii Lithuania

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby WH Lithuania » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:19 am

Is it easier to learn jibes, roll tacks etc. on 41cm mast comparing to regular ~95cm ?

Frank Rosin
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 590
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:46 pm
Kiting since: 1998
Style: wave & hydrofoil
Gear: AXIS boards, Ozone kites, Moses hydrofoils, HB surfboards, Dynabar harness + a lot of other gear for fun and testing, e.g. Levitaz, Zeeko, ....
Brand Affiliation: www.famousfrank.com
Contact:

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:22 am

WH Lithuania wrote:Is it easier to learn jibes, roll tacks etc. on 41cm mast comparing to regular ~95cm ?
No!!
It is really hard to ride maneuvers on the 41.
This is not what it is designed for!

Long before you start to work on those things you'll have changed to a long mast.
Way later again it can be a fun challenge to ride and actually fly the 41 and also try to do maneuvers with it. But it isn't easy.

Cheers
Frank
http://www.famousfrank.com/hydrofoil/moses

User avatar
pikovsg
Medium Poster
Posts: 170
Joined: Sat May 07, 2016 4:08 pm
Kiting since: 2015
Local Beach: Boston, Cape Cod, Outer Banks
Favorite Beaches: West Dennis, Pleasure Bay, Chapin, Tarifa, Maui, Cabarete, Guadeloupe. Any session with a BRM Cloud and a hydrofoil.
Style: Soul
Gear: BRM Cloud, Lift foils, Levitaz foils, Moses foils, LP foils, Concept Air Pulsion, North, Slingshot, Cabrinha, Flysurfer, Ocean Rodeo, Onewheel, Evolve GT, Ollin Freeride
Brand Affiliation: None
Contact:

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby pikovsg » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:57 am

Best tip I can ever give to starting foilers - get the Slinghshot AlienAir board + Hoverglide NF2 with a short mast (also called Flight School kit). It'll cost you $120 more, but it's the best investment you can make. Time is money - if we use that metaphor the short mast will save you half a year's salary – if you consider the amount of time it'll save you learning. ;)

P.S. After you learn to foil, you probably will not use the short mast ever again. (Unless you live near very shallow spots.)

BraCuru
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 744
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:00 pm
Kiting since: 2002
Local Beach: Polish Baltic Coast
Favorite Beaches: Polish Baltic Beach
Style: foilboarding
Gear: Cabrinha Apollo Kites, Moses Hydrofoil, BraCuru Boards, 24Surf.pl
Brand Affiliation: Moses HF, Cabrinha
Contact:

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby BraCuru » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:41 am

pikovsg wrote:I learned to foil in one day because I had a short mast option. Otherwise it would have taken half a year...
A half of year? :argue:
I know many riders who have learned in a half of hour on long strut.
Don't know a single one who needed more than 10 hours to make first flies on long strut.

Like or dislike - I appreciate that the offer is so wide and matches the market demands.

WH Lithuania
Medium Poster
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:45 pm
Kiting since: 2007
Local Beach: Svencele, Monciskes, Akinio Nasrai (Lithuania)
Favorite Beaches: Svencele, Monciskes, Akinio Nasrai (Lithuania)
Style: wakestyle, wave
Gear: Wainman Hawaii Gypsy, Mr. Green, Smoke, Punch, Boss, Joke 138 with boots, Magnum 6'2''
Brand Affiliation: Wainman Hawaii Lithuania

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby WH Lithuania » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:04 am

Frank Rosin wrote:
WH Lithuania wrote:Is it easier to learn jibes, roll tacks etc. on 41cm mast comparing to regular ~95cm ?
No!!
It is really hard to ride maneuvers on the 41.
This is not what it is designed for!

Long before you start to work on those things you'll have changed to a long mast.
Way later again it can be a fun challenge to ride and actually fly the 41 and also try to do maneuvers with it. But it isn't easy.

Cheers
Frank
http://www.famousfrank.com/hydrofoil/moses
Thanks, Frank. Next question - 2016 vs 2017 Vorace FreeRace mast. Is there really a difference? Mast shape is a definitelly different, but is there really noticeable differences?

Frank Rosin
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 590
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:46 pm
Kiting since: 1998
Style: wave & hydrofoil
Gear: AXIS boards, Ozone kites, Moses hydrofoils, HB surfboards, Dynabar harness + a lot of other gear for fun and testing, e.g. Levitaz, Zeeko, ....
Brand Affiliation: www.famousfrank.com
Contact:

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:37 am

Yes, but on a high level, depends on your level and riding style if you feel it and if it makes a difference really.
The new one is thinner, longer, stiffer.
More refined overall design if you want.
This does not make the previous version look/perform bad at all though.

Cheers
Frank
www.famousfrank.com

WH Lithuania
Medium Poster
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:45 pm
Kiting since: 2007
Local Beach: Svencele, Monciskes, Akinio Nasrai (Lithuania)
Favorite Beaches: Svencele, Monciskes, Akinio Nasrai (Lithuania)
Style: wakestyle, wave
Gear: Wainman Hawaii Gypsy, Mr. Green, Smoke, Punch, Boss, Joke 138 with boots, Magnum 6'2''
Brand Affiliation: Wainman Hawaii Lithuania

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby WH Lithuania » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:28 am

Thanks, Frank. Well, I think it's right to say that there is no noticeable difference for weekend warriors :)

Frank Rosin
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 590
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:46 pm
Kiting since: 1998
Style: wave & hydrofoil
Gear: AXIS boards, Ozone kites, Moses hydrofoils, HB surfboards, Dynabar harness + a lot of other gear for fun and testing, e.g. Levitaz, Zeeko, ....
Brand Affiliation: www.famousfrank.com
Contact:

Re: Moses HF 2017

Postby Frank Rosin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:12 pm

WH Lithuania wrote:Thanks, Frank. Well, I think it's right to say that there is no noticeable difference for weekend warriors :)
Nobody riding the Vorace Free Race has to worry that it is obsolete now that the Vorace Sport is available ;)

Cheers,
Frank
www.famousfrank.com/hydrofoil/moses


Return to “Hydrofoil”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: flaps1111, mig27, Pedro Marcos and 5 guests

cron