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Re: Moses 2018

Postby BWD » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:45 pm

Not even close. The wings have different profiles...
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I have riden both foils and they are as different as night an day.
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Gunnar
Sorry, was speaking of bigger ketos wave wing 1200 cm, not the 790cm^2 one you depict. The anhedral arc with flatter tips is the main obvious similarity.
I have no strong opinion about what is first or the best, just trying to share info that might be interesting. Would like to try Moses 633, Ketos 1200, maybe a delta foils wave wing, too...
They all look good to me at this point.
I will mention one of these options has a swept plan shape that allows lift to be centered so you can use the biggest wing on the same fuselage that supports other wings. That’s interesting....
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:57 pm

Which gods do we need to please so Moses releases a larger, 633-like wing mountable onto 647 kitefoil fuselage?
It might not be as big but certainly could be much bigger/thicker than 590 and save us from hauling two fuselages around.

- there’s an inch of space behind trailing edge of 590 which could be used
- the wing could be arrowhead and go much further forward, like 425 (bull have a 600mm wingspan or more)
- the wing could be swept back like Levitaz to keep center of pressure in check

I don’t know what color should be that writing in the wall of 548/590/633 success to give guys idea there are money to collect for another wing model

Only if Slingshot took the lead and made such a wing first.
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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Pedro Marcos » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:06 pm

grigorib wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:57 pm
Which gods do we need to please so Moses releases a larger, 633-like wing mountable onto 647 kitefoil fuselage?
It might not be as big but certainly could be much bigger/thicker than 590 and save us from hauling two fuselages around

Only if Slingshot took the lead and made such a wing first.
Change fuse = 2 screws
Change front wing + stab = 5 screws

So its easier to have the fuselage ready with the onda combo and just change everything :)

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:29 pm

Pedro Marcos wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:06 pm
grigorib wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:57 pm
Which gods do we need to please so Moses releases a larger, 633-like wing mountable onto 647 kitefoil fuselage?
It might not be as big but certainly could be much bigger/thicker than 590 and save us from hauling two fuselages around

Only if Slingshot took the lead and made such a wing first.
Change fuse = 2 screws
Change front wing + stab = 5 screws

So its easier to have the fuselage ready with the onda combo and just change everything :)
Change fuselage 2 screws and 4 screws to move the mast back, so 6 :)
Also a couple of 30mm screws (vs. 25mm for 647 fuselage ) to be lost by chance

My point is while travelling by car I have no problem throwing in all I've got and some more. I'd love to fly to La Ventana in January only with another extra wing without another heavy aluminum piece though.

But on the other hand having two complete foils assembled is priceless...

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby TomW » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:17 pm

grigorib wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:57 pm
Which gods do we need to please so Moses releases a larger, 633-like wing mountable onto 647 kitefoil fuselage?
It might not be as big but certainly could be much bigger/thicker than 590 and save us from hauling two fuselages around.

- there’s an inch of space behind trailing edge of 590 which could be used
- the wing could be arrowhead and go much further forward, like 425 (bull have a 600mm wingspan or more)
- the wing could be swept back like Levitaz to keep center of pressure in check

I don’t know what color should be that writing in the wall of 548/590/633 success to give guys idea there are money to collect for another wing model

Only if Slingshot took the lead and made such a wing first.
Bet they do it next year.
Edit: bet they are working on it now, and release it next year.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby Foxi » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:22 pm

I‘m afraid my wish for a carbon fuselage will be R&D‘d first .. 😇

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:32 pm

TomW wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:17 pm
grigorib wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:57 pm
Which gods do we need to please so Moses releases a larger, 633-like wing mountable onto 647 kitefoil fuselage?
It might not be as big but certainly could be much bigger/thicker than 590 and save us from hauling two fuselages around.

- there’s an inch of space behind trailing edge of 590 which could be used
- the wing could be arrowhead and go much further forward, like 425 (bull have a 600mm wingspan or more)
- the wing could be swept back like Levitaz to keep center of pressure in check

I don’t know what color should be that writing in the wall of 548/590/633 success to give guys idea there are money to collect for another wing model

Only if Slingshot took the lead and made such a wing first.
Bet they do it next year.
Edit: bet they are working on it now, and release it next year.
I’ll keep on my “Carthage must be destroyed” demand until I PayPal my $300 for a new wing :)

Or if Slingshot gets the act together and makes it first they’d collect quite a bit of money from almost every Ghost Whisper owner and from many of Moses riders.

Hood River has been craving for 590 in the last 4-6 months (or rather since 545 release). They’re in love with 633 and it’s just an effing pair of wings with 3 holes. Can’t be a simpler product for $300, can it?

Not to mention a 36”x16”x1” 3 lbs pocket board. Few hook inserts in front of the board, no tracks, two set of holes through. A pocket board, simple and beautiful

Boys were geniuses with Talon addon, gimme more, take my money

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby TomW » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:17 pm

This is new topic really: Moses 2019...
For pocket board: foothook inserts front and back, and " through board slots " 100mm from rear screws to tail as back position, 180mm as front position. = 80mm slots.

Actually the 633 wing, fuse, stab cost 805€. Which is not more than most other companies charge for front and stab wings only. So really I think we are whining.

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby grigorib » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:22 pm

TomW wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:17 pm
This is new topic really: Moses 2019...
For pocket board: foothook inserts front and back, and " through board slots " 100mm from rear screws to tail as back position, 180mm as front position. = 80mm slots. ...
Yes, that!
TomW wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:17 pm
...
Actually the 633 wing, fuse, stab cost 805€. Which is not more than most other companies charge for front and stab wings only. So really I think we are whining.
Moses nailed it with a masts line which fits any setup and one kitefoil fuselage matching any of the wings, I just want even larger wing for same kitefoil fuselage to put it simple.

Moses pricing is pretty good, no doubt about that!

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Re: Moses 2018

Postby oregonkiter » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:31 pm

Look what just dropped! Looks like a 633 with small winglets for safety in surf:
http://www.slingshotsports.com/2019-Hov ... FSURF-Foil


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