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Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:57 pm
by pikovsg
Lift 150 is an amazing all around, light wind, high wind, and small wave wing. I love it!

Moses 633 is an amazing big wave, uber light wind and freestyle wing. Learned rodeos and tacks on it! Jumps and carves worse than 150, but comes alive in waves. By far the best wave and big wave wing out there!

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:38 am
by blu
thank you

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:53 pm
by grigorib
pikovsg wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:57 pm
Lift 150 is an amazing all around, light wind, high wind, and small wave wing. I love it!

Moses 633 is an amazing big wave, uber light wind and freestyle wing. Learned rodeos and tacks on it! Jumps and carves worse than 150, but comes alive in waves. By far the best wave and big wave wing out there!
The major difference is with Moses you can use your mast(s) to mount any setup - race/freeride or LW, Moses wings/fuselage come apart for easier travel with them.

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:32 pm
by DAnderson
grigorib wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:53 pm
pikovsg wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:57 pm
Lift 150 is an amazing all around, light wind, high wind, and small wave wing. I love it!

Moses 633 is an amazing big wave, uber light wind and freestyle wing. Learned rodeos and tacks on it! Jumps and carves worse than 150, but comes alive in waves. By far the best wave and big wave wing out there!
The major difference is with Moses you can use your mast(s) to mount any setup - race/freeride or LW, Moses wings/fuselage come apart for easier travel with them.
The MHL masts can be mounted on either of the wingsets. I don't understand what you meant. Lacking the ability to dissassemble the fuselage/wingset certainly is a difference effecting the ease of travel.
Full carbon vs alloy mix seems like a more significant difference for me. I've had screws seize up on a alloy foil, not fun. Never have to worry about it w/ stainless into stainless.

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:57 pm
by BWD
Never have to worry about it w/ stainless into stainless.
Oh yeah, you do.
1/4 turn can friction weld (gall) stainless fasteners together. Have to be sawn apart and replaced.
USE GREASE! And don’t over tighten!
Stainless in brass or bronze though, does not gall, and the softer metal yields if overstressed in impacts...

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:34 pm
by grigorib
DAnderson wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:32 pm
grigorib wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:53 pm
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The major difference is with Moses you can use your mast(s) to mount any setup - race/freeride or LW, Moses wings/fuselage come apart for easier travel with them.
The MHL masts can be mounted on either of the wingsets. I don't understand what you meant. Lacking the ability to dissassemble the fuselage/wingset certainly is a difference effecting the ease of travel.
Full carbon vs alloy mix seems like a more significant difference for me. I've had screws seize up on a alloy foil, not fun. Never have to worry about it w/ stainless into stainless.
I meant Lift doesn't have variety and yearly refreshes of wingsets that Moses offers. While I could carry faster 545 and slower 548/590 wings and one fuselage + one stabilizer it would have been quite different situation for Lift which doesn't offer wings like 558/637 at all. Different story I guess, I'm glad they pushed the rest of foil manufacturers to catch back on the bus of making large wings again.

The aluminum mast of Moses is kind of heavy, I wish they come up with titanium or composite before everyone starts riding stables :)

But on the old MHL Lift composite fuselage they didn't lay fibers around the mast slot - they just machined the slot through threads basically diminishing and throwing away all the strength of internal threads, and guess where it cracked.... When we were making glass fiber props for 2.5cc engines 30 years ago we made sure threads are laid around the center hole, we didn't drill the hole through. Cable companies don't drill a hole in fiberoptics cable pack to attach them to rocks either :)

Lack of basic engineering knowledge is astonishing in some products, I'm keeping my eyes open for that kind of crap.

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:01 pm
by blu
I have Lift 150 and really like that foil, but it is hard to take it on the plane, that's why I will get 633 onda wing for travel, thanks all for the great info

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:19 pm
by kgb
Where Slingshot foils are made? There some good factories in China and some shit ones. I won't buy another foil, until I know which factory made it. Yes, I know. I'm weird about stuff like that.
:angryfire:

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:22 pm
by Frank Rosin
kgb wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:19 pm
Where Slingshot foils are made? There some good factories in China and some shit ones. I won't buy another foil, until I know which factory made it. Yes, I know. I'm weird about stuff like that.
:angryfire:

This thread is about Moses (Made in Italy) really, no?
But why don't you tell us more about the factories in China?

Cheers,
Frank
www.famousfrank.com

Re: Moses 2018

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:41 am
by pikovsg
I have been riding both Lift and Moses non-stop for the past two years. I love both of them and would not part with either. The compactness is the least of issues, personally. Traveled across the globe with both.

The biggest overall difference is that Lift's foils tend to be more carvy/surfy/comfort and Moses is more sporty/straight line riding. For example, take the equivalent general use foil from each - Lift 110 and Moses 550 or 548. Moses will be slightly faster and require a bit more effort to carve. Super fun, just more effort. Lift will be a bit slower, more stable and friendly to carve. Also super fun, more soul riding.

Moses 633 is the exception to the above. It's Lift equivalent, the 170, is faster, but more carvy. You can ride much bigger waves with 633 vs. 170 because 633 is slower on the face of the wave and does not outrun it. The slower speed of the 633 also means significantly better low end when foiling in marginal conditions.