Have you found good vids on waterstarting foil kites in low or marginal wind?
Have a crispy new R1V2 15m but having a hard time with adjusting to timing to get on foil in lighter winds. Is looping a must in marginal conditions?
Generally yes but this depends a bit on kite model and line length.
This is what I end up doing most times in really light stuff...the kite sort of sinks trailing edge downward towards the water, then sheet the bar out and it rips upwards towards noon while I pull myself up with my abs and try to pump up on the foil while pulling hard with my forward hand to steer the kite and dive it from noon downwards in the direction of my riding. When this starts, I usually feel like my kite is way overhead because I'm basically riding under it intentionally, this is the part where you'll either get a good power stroke as it comes rocketing downward in front of you and powers up OR sort of flops apart and stalls at the edge of the wind window.Regis-de-giens wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:16 ambackstall of the kite (by pulling rear line floaters) to have the kite going backward up to 1 meter of the water level (in the middle of the window) , and then push the bar to fully depower and "free" the kite go straight to the zenith with max speed, you can then try to get on the board and send the kite downward again
Interesting....but this seems far more likely to create a stall and dropped kite vs a loop with continuous motion into the direction of travel and uninterrupted air flow. Also the potential that your stall to near the surface of the water results in not being able to get the kite past it's own weight and back up. Generally there is more wind aloft.Mossy 757 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:27 pmThis is what I end up doing most times in really light stuff...the kite sort of sinks trailing edge downward towards the water, then sheet the bar out and it rips upwards towards noon while I pull myself up with my abs and try to pump up on the foil while pulling hard with my forward hand to steer the kite and dive it from noon downwards in the direction of my riding. When this starts, I usually feel like my kite is way overhead because I'm basically riding under it intentionally, this is the part where you'll either get a good power stroke as it comes rocketing downward in front of you and powers up OR sort of flops apart and stalls at the edge of the wind window.Regis-de-giens wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:16 ambackstall of the kite (by pulling rear line floaters) to have the kite going backward up to 1 meter of the water level (in the middle of the window) , and then push the bar to fully depower and "free" the kite go straight to the zenith with max speed, you can then try to get on the board and send the kite downward again
The later really sucks to deal with.
Alternatively, once you stall it down and then let it shoot up, you can pull hard on your rear hand and loop it over the top so that it flies forward through the entire wind window as you're pumping up on the foil. I crash the kite a lot trying to do that for some reason
I have always second guessed this with my foil kites. But then with surfboard I am on a 6m in 15knots, then also 45knots. there must be something to it.Peter_Frank wrote: Giving these a huge windrange, a lot bigger than LEI's
All true, and in the absolute margins of performance, I wouldn't risk it, but I never ride longer than 17m lines anymore, so with all my kites you basically need to bullseye the kite right through the center of the wind window to get moving. My other technique besides the backstall-pop is to dive the kite fully sheeted so it backstalls into the wind window, then release the bar and let it surge forward while I waterstart and get going. Or just loop it with your back hand and ride away as it surges through the wind window.cwood wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:17 pmInteresting....but this seems far more likely to create a stall and dropped kite vs a loop with continuous motion into the direction of travel and uninterrupted air flow. Also the potential that your stall to near the surface of the water results in not being able to get the kite past it's own weight and back up. Generally there is more wind aloft.Mossy 757 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:27 pmThis is what I end up doing most times in really light stuff...the kite sort of sinks trailing edge downward towards the water, then sheet the bar out and it rips upwards towards noon while I pull myself up with my abs and try to pump up on the foil while pulling hard with my forward hand to steer the kite and dive it from noon downwards in the direction of my riding. When this starts, I usually feel like my kite is way overhead because I'm basically riding under it intentionally, this is the part where you'll either get a good power stroke as it comes rocketing downward in front of you and powers up OR sort of flops apart and stalls at the edge of the wind window.Regis-de-giens wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:16 ambackstall of the kite (by pulling rear line floaters) to have the kite going backward up to 1 meter of the water level (in the middle of the window) , and then push the bar to fully depower and "free" the kite go straight to the zenith with max speed, you can then try to get on the board and send the kite downward again
The later really sucks to deal with.
Alternatively, once you stall it down and then let it shoot up, you can pull hard on your rear hand and loop it over the top so that it flies forward through the entire wind window as you're pumping up on the foil. I crash the kite a lot trying to do that for some reason
True ... but in some cases only ; like long lines or "loop-efficient" kite (I.e low ratio) ; in that case a first uploop frontward gives more security and pull during the upper stroke vs backstall.cwood wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:17 pmInteresting....but this seems far more likely to create a stall and dropped kite vs a loop with continuous motion into the direction of travel and uninterrupted air flow. Also the potential that your stall to near the surface of the water results in not being able to get the kite past it's own weight and back up. Generally there is more wind aloft.
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