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Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Okkiteboarder » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:15 pm

Here is a quick video if you’re thinking about entering the world of foil kiting. Let me know your thoughts.

https://youtu.be/qA_k8qK71vc

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The OK Kiteboarder

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby ap888 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:25 pm

No need to get professional lesson watch a couple videos you be fine only gonna learn with practice.

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:47 pm

ap888 wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:25 pm
No need to get professional lesson watch a couple videos you be fine only gonna learn with practice.

Hmmm, disagree - you would learn A LOT with lessons, also being able to learn on a really short mast instead of wasting money on one yourself.
Especially carbon short masts if you have got a carbon foil (carbon masts are for the same reason not really offered, only down to 70 cm which isnt learning-short) would be pointless to get, and way too expensive :roll:

Here hydrofoiling are not "taught" (no lessons possible) so everyone learn by themeselves, and in reality of course by asking friends about "dos and donts", and I always teach any new foiler by showing what to do having them follow me close, when boarddragging upwind - as for some reason everyone gets stuck because they point the board too high, so they never get out to deep water :o

I think it would be well spent to take lessons when you are lucky they are available, and get the basics you dont get watching videos, and also get a "free hydrofoil with short mast" while learning the first steps :thumb:
You can even do this before you invest yourself, even better :D

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Lokihel » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:13 am

ap888 wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:25 pm
No need to get professional lesson watch a couple videos you be fine only gonna learn with practice.
Also disagree.
If you're comfortable on a directional, you probably only one or two hours of lessons to get the basics right.


At the local foiling spot, it is easy to differentiate the beginner foilers who have taken a lesson vs those who haven not.
The ones who have taken lessons ride the surface at a reasonable speed before gently getting onto the foil (and usually crashing shortly after...).
The ones who have not taken lessons ride aggressively with speed and the kite low, leaning into it (like on a surfboard or twintip) for 'more power' and kangaroo up and down until a high-speed crash.

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby socommk23 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:45 am

Disagree.
Build your own foil and board, it's cheaper, you can make it a lot less sharp and safer to use and learn on with very small financial outlay.
Learn by doing. Start by riding the board flat. No need for short masts.

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:59 am

Masts are one of the cheapest parts of the foil.

I don't know anyone who's had lessons. I know plenty of foilers though.

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:44 pm

Kamikuza wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:59 am
Masts are one of the cheapest parts of the foil.

I don't know anyone who's had lessons. I know plenty of foilers though.

No, they are the most expensive part of a carbon foil.

Only if aluminum foils, they are cheap, so depends what new foilers get, which can be both, quite evenly distributed here.

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Kamikuza » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:47 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:44 pm
Kamikuza wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:59 am
Masts are one of the cheapest parts of the foil.

I don't know anyone who's had lessons. I know plenty of foilers though.

No, they are the most expensive part of a carbon foil.

Only if aluminum foils, they are cheap, so depends what new foilers get, which can be both, quite evenly distributed here.

8) PF
People buying carbon foils here aren't beginners, and are interested in racing only. I don't know if that's a worldwide trend.

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Peter_Frank » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:25 pm

Here you got the racers as one group, only foil kites except for when learning.

(and those starting on racegear but going to freestyle later instead as a changeover group, but having had carbon they never go back to alu)

Freeriders/freestylers/waveriders as another group.


A beginner racer start with the carbonracefoil immediately.

The other group start with either Moses Carbonfoil or Ketos Carbonfoil or Liquid Force Alufoil, these are the 3 main chosen and the others very rare.

Some of the last group on LF alufoils get a short LF mast for faster learning - others who has ridden directionals before start with the regular 1 m mast.

So beginners are maybe half and half on carbon or alu.

Dont know if this is a trend or not that evenly distributed, but maybe in other parts there are more alufoils chosen by beginners than around here?

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Re: Are you thinking about becoming a foiler?

Postby Peert » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:17 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:44 pm
Kamikuza wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:59 am
Masts are one of the cheapest parts of the foil.

I don't know anyone who's had lessons. I know plenty of foilers though.

No, they are the most expensive part of a carbon foil.

Only if aluminum foils, they are cheap, so depends what new foilers get, which can be both, quite evenly distributed here.

8) PF
This made me think. Would it be possible to manufacture carbon masts by an extrusion process? (Like how carbon rods and alu masts are made) Would this potentially be a cheaper production process?


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