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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby kitexpert » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:24 am

Genesis is a lame kite. I adjusted it (fixed Z and did some minor tweaks) and compared it to Access (which is a lame kite too) - Genesis loose. Personally I don't have much use or interest for this kind of kites but for sure you can learn how to kite with them or use them for some lazy driving around.

Bridle design in Genesis is what it is (like other Pansh kites) and should be redesigned from the scratch. Unfortunately it is unclear how much improvement could be achieved, less drag and cleaner look however at least.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby foilholio » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:05 pm

Just to update anyone the Genesis has been updated by Pansh and flys quite well from reports.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby kitexpert » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:36 pm

Blaze3 2019 seems to be dirt cheap also, 8m kite $139.

Weird detail in the homepage picture is that some bridle attachment points are not where D-ribs are located. It is not very reassuring for potential customer to see clear design flaw or misleading drawing. Or could it be possible Pansh designers really don't know how D-ribs are supposed to be in a kite?

Bridle of the kite is from the late 1990's by it's design. Mixer is usual 2-pulley and apparently ok though.

Other than that kite looks ok. By redesigning the bridle (more canopy curve, 40-50% less line) there might be some potential in it.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby foilholio » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:31 am

I can't even see on the kite that it has D ribs... The bottom skin distortion does indicate that none are present at some of the bridles. Although the wire frame render does indicated that it is as you say it may not be so given other kites disconnection from diagrams like A15. Interesting find though, Pansh obviously is not designed to the same level as some others.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby airsail » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:59 pm

I sent an email to Pansh asking about smaller Genesis sizes, the answer back was yes, what sizes would be useful? I’m thinking a 3.5 for over 20 knot for use on a big wing.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby foilholio » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:06 pm

3.5m is a massive drop from 6m. Ideally you would want something like 6,5,4,3. 6,4.5, 3.5 could work.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby olebarry » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:07 pm

airsail wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:59 pm
I sent an email to Pansh asking about smaller Genesis sizes, the answer back was yes, what sizes would be useful? I’m thinking a 3.5 for over 20 knot for use on a big wing.
Having flown my 6m genesis with an alpine foil xlp wing in 20-27 knots the last day, I think a 4m may be a better size unless you were using a surf wing.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby Regis-de-giens » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:13 pm

Yes 4m or 4.5 m would be great !

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby edt » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:21 pm

I have a genesis here's my feel for it

1) doesn't turn at all. Yank on the bar as hard as you like nothing happens.

2) super reliable, never tacos, always relaunches great to have a mid aspect kite like this that you feel safe taking out to hydrofoil with

3) doesn't depower well, the kite is either "on" or "off" so there's no "feel" to the kite.

This is from I guess 6 months ago? anyway 100% would NEVER recommend the genesis as the handling characteristics are so bad. I think it turns slower than my 19m Aurora. If they fix the turning problem and the depower problems yeah it would be great. It holds air incredibly well while laying on the water, you can feel comfortable during a lull just letting it sit on the water until the wind picks up again, something I can't say about my aurora which fills up with water if very quickly if I'm not super careful.

Now as for tuning, I know you can adjust the camber pretty easily by changing the mixers but I don't know how you are going to get this thing to handle properly without a complete redesign of the bridle.

This is for the 12m kite. I know how pansh is they just xerox and copy their wings so there are certain sizes that are dogs for each kite they have. It's possible the smaller genesis kites are decent.

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Re: Pansh Genesis and some tuning

Postby kitexpert » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:59 pm

edt wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:21 pm
I have a genesis here's my feel for it

1) doesn't turn at all. Yank on the bar as hard as you like nothing happens.

2) super reliable, never tacos, always relaunches great to have a mid aspect kite like this that you feel safe taking out to hydrofoil with

3) doesn't depower well, the kite is either "on" or "off" so there's no "feel" to the kite.

This is from I guess 6 months ago? anyway 100% would NEVER recommend the genesis as the handling characteristics are so bad. I think it turns slower than my 19m Aurora. If they fix the turning problem and the depower problems yeah it would be great. It holds air incredibly well while laying on the water, you can feel comfortable during a lull just letting it sit on the water until the wind picks up again, something I can't say about my aurora which fills up with water if very quickly if I'm not super careful.

Now as for tuning, I know you can adjust the camber pretty easily by changing the mixers but I don't know how you are going to get this thing to handle properly without a complete redesign of the bridle.

This is for the 12m kite. I know how pansh is they just xerox and copy their wings so there are certain sizes that are dogs for each kite they have. It's possible the smaller genesis kites are decent.
:) Very much same observations for the same kite size. My first reaction was: WTF is this, this kite is junk. After tightening ridiculously loose brakes it behaved better but soft and slow it is. Also feel of the kite is distant, or there is not much feel at all. But I noticed this after using C-hybrid LEI so this may be slightly biased or too harsh for a cheap foil kite.

I think bridle redesign is not enough to make Genesis a really good kite, but noticeable different I believe so. I'd add some canopy curve and some cascades, but because cell count is low (and attachment points located how they are) there is not much else to do. Having 18 cells is a bit silly, but I'm not surprised, it is in line with Pansh designs.

Smaller sizes are very probably better. It is respectable if Pansh is ready to make small sizes on order.


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