Flysurfer speed 18m vs sonic 2 18m

[windrider1]

Can anyone tell me which is the more powerfull kite specifically between the flysurfer speed 5 18m and the sonic 2 18m. i have the 18m speed 5 but was wondering if to trade it up for the sonic 2 18m to ride on those 6 to 8knts days. i had a sonic 1 and rembrr they had a small power advantage compared to the speed series. With a big board and The 18m speed i can go in 8knts+ but i have limited time to kite and hate to sit on the beach on nice sunny 6 to 8knt day waiting for things to pick up. thnks in advance

[cwood]

If its an option, learn to foil....tons of fun sub 10 knots and you can probably get rid of the really big kites.

[joriws]

Sorry cannot answer directly on your models. I had Speed4 Lotus 15m2 and tested it against Sonic1 15m2. Sonic1 had better lowend because it was more dynamic so I swapped because it was unbelievable that my mass could kite on twintip(door) without any whitecaps. Now I am on waiting queue which is for Sonic2 15m2 which is .

On Speed5vsSonic2 I would be only quessing. My sales rep recommended me Sonic2 as I had the same questions about general usability/stability/performance. On low winds you need the performance from the kite and Sonic2 delivers more with good stability.

Foilboarding = ploughing/plowing (yes I've a foilboard), with TT & Sonic you can do slides/jumps in fairly low winds. I prefer that.

[Toby]

This is a good question!

I also wonder...but more on the lift hang time part.
Is it such a difference?

[davesails7]

The 18m sonic 2 is amazing. Stays in the air in no wind. Has lots of power. Can't compare to 18m speed5 though.

My only experience with speed5 was 1 session on the 12m back to back with my sonic1 11m. The speed5 was more stable, but the lift and hang time was a bit less than than sonic 1. It felt to me like the speed 5 was 90% of the sonic performance but much more user friendly.

Now ive found Sonic 2 has even better performance (racing speed) than sonic 1 but with the ease of use of the speed 5. For jumping height and hangtime I didn't do a back to back comparison, but they seem similar. The sonic 2 is much less likely to collapse or fall out of the sky if the jump goes wrong though.

I can't comment on twintip low end

[windrider1]

what kind of low end are people getting on the sonic 2 18m with a lightwind twintip.

[davesails7]

what kind of low end are people getting on the sonic 2 18m with a lightwind twintip.

Everyone measures wind differently, so hard to put a number on it. One person's 5 knots is another person's 7, and 5 - 7 kts is a world of difference.

It's as good as it gets for low end I'd say

[Kamikuza]

I thought the S1 18 had more accessible low end and jumped higher easier (TT only), but the S2 18 is excellent on a foil--riding at the kite isn't a disaster. I found it harder going free ride on a TT...but there was months between the two kites for me, so my memory may be off.

[Mossy 757]

S1 was lower aspect than the S2, but with an 18m I'm not sure that's noticeable.

[windrider1]

So wht low end are people getting on the sonic 2 18m and a big board . i measured 8knts with the 18m speed 5 as the low end. come on somebody must have this kite and used it in winds after all its a low wind kite. And bye the way here is a question for Mr Armin at flysurfer as i know he reads these threads sometimes. Why are there never any flysurfer demos in the usa. I know there is a distributor here but they dont seem to have any interest in promoting the kites out there to real kiters .