Pansh stitch work is a little rougher that say flysurfer, but still fine.F-Bear wrote: but the stitching and such compared to my LEI seems a bit less durable
Switch kites are very heavy, one reason I don't like them. The performance of something like the nitro I find horrible compared to high aspect foils.F-Bear wrote: I have Switch kites (9m Element, 14m Nitro) and they are pretty bulletproof...and heavy. Especially the Nitro.
Foils are very flexible and because of that can be built lighter and still be more bullet proof than LEIs in many ways. The small foils sub 6-8m are prone to exploding internally when hitting the ground/water because of the speeds they can achieve in higher winds. The Pansh magnetic valves seem a good solution to this but no extensive testing I know has confirmed the effectiveness.F-Bear wrote: But maybe foils don't need to be as bulletproof? I do not know.
Yes when I first got a Pansh, there was a lot of negative talk about them and little positive. I was and am still very impressed with the quality given the extreme low cost. I think if a brand like Flysurfer or North sold near this price point they would capture most of the market.F-Bear wrote:Overall, first impression of this kite is very positive.
Awesome!F-Bear wrote:Today's first flight was EXCELLENT.
Once inflated you can actively fly some foils down to 1-2knots standing.F-Bear wrote:The wind was literally 3-5 knots.
Efficiency and weight.F-Bear wrote:I could not believe how it just hung in the air
It is technically possible if wind stops, but rare enough to say never. Foils will collapse and do weird things especially in gusty winds and when tuned for more camber. They are most stable directly overhead. In that position they are most balanced and less likely to do weird stuff. It is the best position to drift them say on waves if you want slack lines to surf free of the kite. You can also position them by over sheeting as deep as you like in the window.F-Bear wrote: Or how it seems very difficult (maybe impossible?) to get it to "hindenburg"
Yep I think I have flown one a full line length upwind into the water on a wave before, lol.F-Bear wrote: At one point it overflew me at zenith ( I did this on purpose to see what would happen)
There is and has been LEIs that can do it. Because LEIs can hindenberg it is not a good thing to overfly which puts them in hindenberg position.F-Bear wrote:No LEI can do that
A15 needs a lot of bar throw/trim, because of the B bridle position on the kite being so far back. This is not the same for all foils, some have quite short bar throw. My mod to the A15 reduces bar throw a lot.F-Bear wrote: Seems like I can't access the total AoA range of this kite using my normal bar, unless I include the trim system.
My mod, wac line, more camber and pulley bar all increase bar pressure. Choose your poisonF-Bear wrote: I think I prefer a bit more bar pressure ! But no big deal.
It gets harder the more wind. I use all 4 lines to have more grip. In fact using only the rears will often cause foils to invert fly in reverse. The single line flag works well on the A15. I just pulled by hand the 18m in while flagged but still in the air in 18-20knots. It was a confined landing so no other way.F-Bear wrote:Not sure how this would work in stronger wind though.
Just be gently never pull hard to make knots, shake them loose, toss and tease at them if stuck together. You can wrap the bar past the mixer up into the bridles. More wrapped on the bar means less to tangle.F-Bear wrote: Ha ha we'll see how these scary bridles treat me next time I get this kite out, that is a HUGE difference to my LEI.
Exactly this!F-Bear wrote: In summary, I think the Pansh folk are making a decent kite. For me, the price point allows me try a foil and fly a kite (and hopefully landboard and/or hydrofoil) in low winds. Would love to compare it to a fancy-pants foil, but those don't exist here. We only have like 3 or 4 kiteboarders in the area. Learning about foils is also going to be fun, I like things that fly and foils are very different than LEI.
Sure shorten them. Shorter is more camber, so more power, less stable, less upwind ( usually). Easy enough to change the length of Z back and forth. I have knots to move it on. Do you need a pic?F-Bear wrote: The Z lines where mega-slack at all times, as others have stated about this kite. Should I shorten them a bit? Or just leave it alone? Not even sure what they are doing....but they must be doing something useful.
A15 does not have as high depower as many other foils. Also because of the long throw depower is hard to access. Foils have less depower than many LEIs, but for some reason I and others find Foils have more range. I think it's because of their smoothness.F-Bear wrote: When flying a foil..is it possible to get a ton of depower when the kite is moving through the power window? To me, today, it did not seem like I could depower it as much as I could my LEI kites
It should fully depower with only tension in A.F-Bear wrote:looked like it will fly with power hanging on just the A
Foils and Lei are different. You can improve the depower on a foil by using shorter lines.F-Bear wrote: This is obviously different than LEI. Depower on the fly is sort of IMPORTANT to me since our winds are gusty.
Not sure. The Pyscho4 has very good depower, but I would say still not LEI. You will need to try other foils,F-Bear wrote:Is 90% or so even possible for a foil when it is moving?
To be honest not all their kites have flow great, some have been released with design and manufacture problems. The design issues often get fixed quietly, but still the kites get sold like that. They offer a refund which some people seem to be able to get, others rely on Paypal. The A15 is one of their best kites yet. They seemed to go a route with a lot of prototypes and testing before releasing it. Which means few design issues. Other kites that are second or third generation, like the Aurora 2 will have fixes and improvements on the original design. These kites seem to always get good reviews. If your extra cautious you could stick to the later versions. Some first version kites have received a lot of community attention and new modifications have been developed that improve them a lot. For example the Aurora 1, Genesis and even the A15 now.F-Bear wrote: Also, I have no idea why some folk poop on Pansh....this kite flies GREAT
Personally I never trim while riding.F-Bear wrote: I am sure the seasoned foil fliers are used to constantly adjusting the trim system?
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