So just as a hypothetical, let's say I started a non-profit organization and established what I felt were reasonable safety guidelines and competency tasks. It's not a legal thing. You don't have to get a rating from my organization. But if you want to, it'll cost you $50/year, and you'll get one million bucks of liability insurance. Some sites wouldn't give a crap about my silly organization. Others might recognize its ratings and allow kiters only if they are rated and insured through it - right? No need to impose anything legally.NO, I can't see a legal way to impose it...
Anyone that wants. If the organization got enough momentum, and demonstrated kiters were earnestly trying to police themselves, some site owners/bureucrats would recognize the organization. If not - perhaps they wouldn't.Who has the right/qualifaction to nominate such an inspector?
In hang gliding it's just a sticker (and a membership card). No photo. Works fine.Do you need a photo print on the licence plus an additional ID to prove that is yours?
No one that I can recall. Is this a new thread?Who said life is fair?
May be you're right in this one. Wrong expression.spork wrote:The insurance is a different topic. I have double insurance, I declared to my insurance company that I'm kitsurfing and want the insurance to cover it. No problem. Regarding 3rd parties, I have the IKO insurance. Good thing. But insurance companies can/will submit it to anybody that is willing to pay (it's just business).So just as a hypothetical, let's say I started a non-profit organization and established what I felt were reasonable safety guidelines and competency tasks. It's not a legal thing. You don't have to get a rating from my organization. But if you want to, it'll cost you $50/year, and you'll get one million bucks of liability insurance.
Some sites wouldn't give a crap about my silly organization. Others might recognize its ratings and allow kiters only if they are rated and insured through it - right? No need to impose anything legally.
I didn't say that.Are you saying no one should be allowed to start such an organization?
I will affiliate to such an organizacion if I'll get any benefit out of it (as a matter of fact I did, but through my free will).
Site owner can, bureaucrats can't (as far as I can avoid it).Anyone that wants. If the organization got enough momentum, and demonstrated kiters were earnestly trying to police themselves, some site owners/bureucrats would recognize the organization. If not - perhaps they wouldn't.Who has the right/qualifaction to nominate such an inspector?
In many places around the world the beaches are public, and should be kept that way. Moreover, we kiters should respect the right of others to enjoy the beacehs without fear. It can't be imposed.
The message that I want to pass is that you can't impose people to behave in a certain way. e.g. look a the behaviour of the drivers, ......
we have a license. Is it a certificate for good driving behaviour? Look at the statistics.
Who is the qualified inspector that checks after your sticker?In hang gliding it's just a sticker (and a membership card). No photo. Works fine.
What about windsurfing ?
No one that I can recall. Is this a new thread?Who said life is fair?
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In hang gliding we frequently fly from public lands. In those cases the bureucrats are the ones that require we have insurance and ratings through USHGA. We don't have a "license" in the sense of a driver's license. Our rating/insurance is not a legal requirement. It is however a requirement for flying from these sites and keeping them open. I don't think we could get a ticket or get arrested for flying these sites without the proper rating. However, if we fail to regulate ourselves (i.e. make sure our fellow pilots have the ratings and follow the rules), the site would be shut down (which happens too often in any case).Site owner can, bureaucrats can't (as far as I can avoid it).
I agree. However, the government has the job of regulating the use of the beach to insure no group unfairly precludes the rights of others. They clearly can, and do, shut down beaches to kiting in many places. This hypothetical organization is intended as a way to convince them not to.In many places around the world the beaches are public, and should be kept that way.
Too many drivers, too few cops (don't get me wrong, I personally don't care for cops). The object is to police ourself so we don't end up with kite-cops.e.g. look a the behaviour of the drivers, ......
we have a license. Is it a certificate for good driving behaviour? Look at the statistics.
Every "rated" rider that doesn't want to lose the site. A current sticker would have to be displayed on your helmet, kitepants, thong... If someone tried to ride a "regulated" site without one you don't launch him, and you don't let him launch. Hang gliding in the U.S. doesn't require a license, but I dare you to try and launch at a requlated site without a current sticker.Who is the qualified inspector that checks after your sticker?
The pig-stickers are harmless - aren't they?What about windsurfing ?
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