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Duty to warn

Postby PullStrings » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:06 pm

After setting up my 10m and strapped surfboard a nice guy new to our beach shows up and we talk
He says that he is used to flat water and weighs 135 lbs...been kiting a few years
He says that he forgot his 10 and only has his 14 and twin tip
He asked if i could wait to launch my kite and help him launch his kite because he really wants to go and ride

I very nicely said no and explained why i think it was not safe

Wind was 20 degrees to the left of directly onshore at 25-33 mph with sand blowing down the beach... waves 5-7 ft...whitewater mess on the inside
Narrow beach with obstacles 75 m downwind..street..houses..power lines
On the water there were 4 guys out and they were on 7 / 8 /9 /10 sizes with their hands full

I self launched and pointed out that my kite in the air was nearly maxed out fully trimmed and was luffing

He made the decision to sit this one out

I was happy to see that

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby matth » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:39 pm

Absolutely did the right thing. 135Lbs +14kite+25 to 33mph = paraglider

I had an unexpected lofting a few weeks ago, Thankfully I was in waist deep water and I was fine, my woo recorded 14 feet.

I was on a ten and it was gusting to about 35mph, I weigh 190lbs.

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby Toby » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:23 pm

Excellent choice!

I experienced it several times that people approach me since I rig an 18 in pretty strong winds...people are worried and this is good!
I explain them what I do and then they realize my level and that I can hold the power.
But you can only find this out talking to the person to find about his level of riding.
A guy who can handle it will be pretty confident and have lots of experience.

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby Flyboy » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:00 am

In those conditions, at 180 lbs, I'd be going out on my SB with a 7m. Wouldn't even consider a 10m, although an experienced kiter on TT might. 135 lbs with a 14m? No way.

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby Matteo V » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:15 pm

Over the past 3 years, I have become hyper efficient and use very small kites compared to everyone else. My kites are Best Kahoona's, and I only ride a Liquid Force Kite Fish with 4 fins (Quad). I weigh 100kg (220lbs).

Typically, I am on a 7.5m when a 75kg (165lb) rider is on a 12m. When they go down to 10m kites, I go down to my 5.5m. If they do not know me and see me on a 5.5m, I usually get grilled on if the wind is better out there in the water as opposed to the beach. I typically explain to them that I just ride really small and they should go 9-10m. The problem arises when I get to be over powered on a 5.5m. Since I do not own a 3.5, some people still rig big at 9m-10m when they should be smaller on a 6m-7m.

This disparity in kite size typically hurts my credibility in talking someone down. Though I have often tried to stop kiters from going dangerously too big, most just will not listen anyway. It's nice that you found a kiter who listened. So far, I have not witnessed any mishaps save a destroyed kite and a few weeks off of kiting while the limp goes away.

Any one else tried to stop some one from going to big, then witnessed a serious accident?

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby TheJoe » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Lol I'm 190 and I could not handle a 14m in that much wind. Mid 20s max and it would have to be flat water.

I have warned people against going out on multiple occasions myself. Most people usually end up thanking you if you take the time to really explain the reasons they should avoid certain conditions or using the wrong size kite.

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby plummet » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:34 pm

10m on a surfboard in those conditions is a bit silly. Why weren't you on an 8,7 or even a 6?

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby mbevo » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 pm

if you look at wind load in newtons F= 1/2 ρ v^2 A, where A is the area of the kite and V is the wind speed in m/s

regardless of rider weight, flying a 14m statically in 30mph generates the same amount of force as a 10m in 35mph and 7m in 42mph. However I feel like latter is practiced more commonly.

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby JakeFarley » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:51 am

Several years ago I was riding at a crowded site being fully lit on a 12m Waroo on a short narrow board. I had come in and landed and when packing up I saw this guy pumping up a 20m "C" kite. I went over and asked him about his experience. He said this was his first time kiting, no lessons, no friends that kited, and that he was a professional water skier. So I told him that 1) this was way too much kite for the conditions, 2) his experience as a professional water skier was of extremely little value, 3) he would be seriously injured or killed if he got someone to launch him (winds were directly onshore with trees 50' away), 4) he would endanger other kiters and bystanders and be subject to a reckless endangerment lawsuit, 5) he should invest in lessons to learn to kite safely, and 6) that I had seen too many kitemares and I did not want to have to explain to his widow and the authorities why I allowed him to kite. After all that he still wanted to launch! So I told again to take lessons and if he wanted to go it alone to wait for a day with 10 mph winds and a big wide open spot with nobody around that he could injure. He finally backed down and took my advice to take some lessons. I think that if I was not there at that time, noone else was going to stop him.

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Re: Duty to warn

Postby fpvSB » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:30 am

In the winter in Rhode Island, if you show up, you're good enough. Easy to die in really cold water, lots of current, "waves" and heavy wind. The guinea pig goes out and all the sudden there's a group of kiters 15 min later.


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