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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby Cab Driver » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:38 pm

Kitemanmuc wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:08 am
Cab Driver wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:53 pm
Toby wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:27 pm
The City of Miami Beach is trying to BAN KITESURFING! They will soon vote to force all kitesurfers to kite in one small location, at the edge of the City, far away from our homes, which will in fact create a safety hazard.

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SIGN THE PETITION NOW to instantly email the Mayor and City Commissioners: https://mbkf.miami/contact-city-representative/

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There is a simpler solution. We request the City instead enforce some simple guidelines:
- do not fly your kite over the beach, except to launch and land
- kite 200 feet from shore
- stay 50 feet away from swimmers

Why is the City not enforcing some simple rules and instead trying to BAN KITESURFING? WHERE DOES IT STOP? JET SKIS? SWIMMERS? UMBRELLAS? SNORKELING?

This affects you no matter where you are. How would you like to be told you can't practice sports in your backyard. IT STARTS HERE.

STOP THE BAN.

SIGN, SHARE & DONATE.

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I have already signed the petition because I live in Miami and it's a crime that right in my backyard the community is unable to maintain open access. With that being said, I agree with the posters that the petition could be more personalized. Although I live in Miami, I don't live in Miami Beach so my petition will likely be deleted. I don't even have the ability to describe where in Miami I live or add a few brief sentences to support the cause or how I support Miami Beach. Further, having hard rules in these petitions, such as the mentioned 50 ft. rule, is not smart considering that there are already established safe riding guidelines broadly accepted in kitesurfing. If the sport should evolve and more or less room is needed to safely operate, then we are stuck with a rule on the books in a local government that would likely never be changed. This aside, the fact that someone has taken the time to put together a petition is a huge help to this cause and I am very grateful to them.

It is unfortunate that Miami is such an incredibly beautiful waterfront city with warm perfect ocean and bay water, yet the majority of us citizens are simply in the way of the goal to maximize tourism profiteering. I for one would not want to go on vacation to a city that uses kitesurfing in their marketing, yet loathes it's existence and essentially wants to drive the sport out of town. Technically speaking, even surfing is banned in Miami Beach. The fact is that the City of Miami Beach is a lame organization run by jokers in the influence of real estate developers and nightclubs.

Please help us with a small victory and sign the petition!
Thank you for the support and thank you for signing! Its great to see the whole kite community get together. You are right, it is a little rigid and lacks detail, but it is what was possible with minimal funds. If you would like to email the commissioners and mayor personally with your feelings on the matter and go in to further detail and especially tell your awesome story about rescuing a windsurfer, it would be amazing and we encourage everyone to do so!

http://miamibeachfl.gov/elected/

As for the hard rules, no one likes them and kiteboarding should remain open as it has become a safe sport, but in order to gain a little you have to give a little, especially with the concerns voiced by the HOAs along the beach.
Having been involved in many access related issues in FL and beyond, I would recommend referencing generally accepted practices, or PASA/IKO guidelines. As these evolve, access can evolve with them. I agree that putting in hard rules is asking for trouble down the road. Being involved both extensively in the local restricted access in S.FL and the product development sides of the sport, it's better to keep any potential regulations referencing safe industry practices. When equipment makes the next evolutionary step, we don't want to be handcuffed by local regulations that are inconsistent with safe practices. I'm happy to volunteer some help in this area if you are interested.

I'll be certain to pen a letter to the commissioners personally.

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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby Kitemanmuc » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:46 pm

palmbeacher wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:06 pm
It's a shame some people don't want others to enjoy themselves because they have are so miserable themselves.

Miami Beach is a great place for hydrofoiling. Pretty sure no hydrofoiler has ever bothered anyone since the first 300 feet are too shallow.

Is about time they ban the noisy airplanes towing banners, now that is an annoyance!
Thats exactly right!! Banning kitesurfers is easy and thats why they are taking it up with is. Politicians should focus on things that matter, like the fact Miami Beach is going to be one big pool in a couple years, opposed the little kiters.

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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby kostantin » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:13 am

Greetings,

postet the link of the petition to German kite forum. Hope it helps.

tks

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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby Matteo V » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:11 pm

SalmonSlayer wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:18 am

I am surprised that 50 ft is the standard. I kite in Washington and Oregon. Most places AFAIK it is recommended to be at least a kite line length away. All that is needed is for a kite and lines to fall on a swimmer and then power up to have the potential for serious injury.

Again, I predict that only maintaining a 50ft distance will eventually create another ban attempt if you fight this one off.
In the Pacific North West, you have the luxury of cold water to keep most of the beachgoers out of the water. Personally, I strive to avoid any high, or low risk move if another person is within 2 kiteline lengths of my body's location where there is often only one or two people in the water on the entire beach.

This is not practical in warm water beach locations as they are often crowded to the point of there being 1-20 people in ever 50ft square.

That is one of my reasons for me to avoid warm water locations. But some of still like not having to wear a 5mm suit everyday. And they should be given the chance to be responsible and make their way out, and back in through the crowd.

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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby SalmonSlayer » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:44 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:11 pm
This is not practical in warm water beach locations as they are often crowded to the point of there being 1-20 people in ever 50ft square.
Of course it is not always practical to maintain even a 50Ft buffer while getting on and off the beach, but the rule implies that all a rider needs to do is maintain a 50ft distance at all times. Impossible on a crowded beach and not enough in open water.

Does this rule mean that on a crowded beach where they cant maintain 50ft on all sides at all times they should not even launch their kite?

Does this include when a rider has the ability to stay further away at a safe distance (clearly at least a distance more than their gear length) where their gear will not come in contact with other beach users.

Poorly thought out and a poorly written rule. If it reflects the local mindset, then they are their own worst enemy.

Something similar the following is needed.

Riders should maintain the safest distance possible from other users while entering and exiting the water. Riders should not stand idle on the beach with their kite in the air. When entering the water, riders should immediately ride to an area away from other users and stay at least 200 ft from other beach users

Certainly even my proposed rule can be refined, but it moves the rule in the right direction if avoiding a ban is the goal.
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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby Toby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:02 pm

Thx Kosta! Important that we spread it as much as possible!

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Re: Please help: stop the ban in Miami Beach

Postby Europ2 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:08 am

Sad news.
Maybe an updated "before/after ban" style of map could help.

Hoping that this map could give ideas .....
Setup-launch-landing areas: 40x40m for kitesurfers only ....
The buffer zone is usually 1.5 to 2 line lengths x2, that is 36 to 48 m
The red rectangle is forbidden to swimmers, can be allowed to surfers.
The beach portion facing the red rectangle (excluding the Setup-launch-landing areas) can be allowed to beach goers at their own risk.
Total occupation of each plan on the beach: 12 to 15 line lengths that is 250 to 300 m.
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