Quite a simplistic view of how a coal fired plant operates. You left out several pollution control mandates by the US EPA such as electrostatic precipitators that remove the fly ash (byproduct reused as admixture in concrete/cement), sulfur dioxide scrubbers using limestone (byproduct reused to make synthetic gypsum for drywall, but not the same as the contaminated Chinese drywall), bottom ash hoppers (byproduct used for roadway admixtures as well as abrasive blasting material) and the latest catalytic converters to remove the nitrous oxides (similar to automobile catalytic converters). However, I have to admit that even with all the latest pollution control equipment, coal fired power plants pollute the air, water and land in some way here in the US. But when China was starting its industrial revolution, they built coal fired plants monthly with no pollution control equipment. That is why during the Olympics held there a few years ago the air quality was extremely bad. Unless every country on the planet agrees on pollution control measures (which they never will), pollution will continue to get worse.Greenturtle wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:41 pmImagine how a coal plant operates. Build the frigin thing and maintain it, stuff it full of fuel and burn the hell out of it, then you need more. Go mining. Stuff it full of fuel. Oh dang we need more already, ..go mine it... And these are no puny mines. Whole mountainsides- Rip em wide and the goodies (toxic heavy metals and acidity galore) flow off. Besides the gases that are the hot topic, burning coal also produces a helluva lot of ash, and the ash contains? things. Some harmless, some not. Ahem. what happens to it all? .. Probably not the “right” thing every time in every location I can tell you that much.
Read 1984 by Orwell or about Eugenics in US, ahh those fine elites and their finest scientists, and you will develop a better bullshit detector. I was born with it.
Hey thanks for your input and welcome to the asylum.JakeFarley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:50 amI think I will jump into the fray here.
Quite a simplistic view of how a coal fired plant operates. You left out several pollution control mandates by the US EPA such as electrostatic precipitators that remove the fly ash (byproduct reused as admixture in concrete/cement), sulfur dioxide scrubbers using limestone (byproduct reused to make synthetic gypsum for drywall, but not the same as the contaminated Chinese drywall), bottom ash hoppers (byproduct used for roadway admixtures as well as abrasive blasting material) and the latest catalytic converters to remove the nitrous oxides (similar to automobile catalytic converters). However, I have to admit that even with all the latest pollution control equipment, coal fired power plants pollute the air, water and land in some way here in the US. But when China was starting its industrial revolution, they built coal fired plants monthly with no pollution control equipment. That is why during the Olympics held there a few years ago the air quality was extremely bad. Unless every country on the planet agrees on pollution control measures (which they never will), pollution will continue to get worse.Greenturtle wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:41 pmImagine how a coal plant operates. Build the frigin thing and maintain it, stuff it full of fuel and burn the hell out of it, then you need more. Go mining. Stuff it full of fuel. Oh dang we need more already, ..go mine it... And these are no puny mines. Whole mountainsides- Rip em wide and the goodies (toxic heavy metals and acidity galore) flow off. Besides the gases that are the hot topic, burning coal also produces a helluva lot of ash, and the ash contains? things. Some harmless, some not. Ahem. what happens to it all? .. Probably not the “right” thing every time in every location I can tell you that much.
Also, you just cannot shut down coal fired power plants by legislation like Obama wanted to do during his two terms. The impacts would have been catastrophic (i.e. power outages/shortages, brown outs, etc.) with economic mayhem (sky high power bills). The main reason we have coal fired plants here in the US is that it was legislated during the oil crisis in the early 70s (no burning of any fossil fuel - oil, natural gas). The alternative was coal or nuclear, with coal being the most economical at the time and the quickest to get licensed and built (nuclear plants take at least twice as long). Now natural gas has made a comeback, but it is still not clean energy.
Just my 2 cents worth as that is all I have to offer as I am retired and living on a fixed income.
Is that really your answer, you can't do any better than that ? You were born with a bullshit detector ? Although you're pretty rude I have tried to take you seriously and educate myself in the process, but I have to agree with others, if this is the level of your argument, then you're irrelevant, maybe just funny. You were born with a bullshit detector... Go on, another article or maybe better yet, a graph..marlboroughman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:07 amRead 1984 by Orwell or about Eugenics in US, ahh those fine elites and their finest scientists, and you will develop a better bullshit detector. I was born with it.
It's getting a little easier these days since NYTimes for example is the exclusive place to go for fake science.
That's why they call me Marl and you are Pemba.....Pemba wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:30 am
Is that really your answer, you can't do any better than that ? You were born with a bullshit detector ? Although you're pretty rude I have tried to take you seriously and educate myself in the process, but I have to agree with others, if this is the level of your argument, then you're irrelevant, maybe just funny. You were born with a bullshit detector... Go on, another article or maybe better yet, a graph..
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