That's how bar is set up! I couldn't believe it's right cause "depowering" would have the kite flying on the 2 front lines. Can anybody confirm or deny? What a crappy safety system.edt wrote:i believe the [North] 2011 quad bar doesn't have any lines that go thru a safety system <--- this is the single most important thing to worry about when using q-power. Single center line safeties usually go thru a tiny opening and the knot of the q power line won't fit.
20111 quad I believe depowers to both center lines high up on the leaders so you should be able to just buy........ <<<snip>>>
Excellent, thanks for the clarification. If the dual-line system is right then I think the bar IS setup right after all. I never heard of that setup, and it isn't mentioned (or clearly diagrammed) in any of the North documentation, so I just assumed it was wrong. Never assume.....Dan-at-North wrote:Our 2011 quad bar safety drops to a single red line that travels up about 5m to the "Y" where it flags the kite onto both front lines. All of our 4-line kites are designed in such a way that when you release to both front lines, the front connection points slide towards each other in the middle and the kite will drop onto its nose, similar to a 5-line safety.
Years ago we tested a safety that dropped to a single front line, but we found that some kites would go into a 'death spiral' when released onto a single front line. I am aware that many other brands now use the single-front-line system without a hitch, so my guess is that there's been some sort of general progression in kite design so that modern kites don't have this issue. Please don't respond to this thread with 'my brand x kites release perfectly on single front line stop bashing single front line'. I understand that there are advantages to a single front line release and I know that it works with many other brands' kites perfectly well. We have simply designed our kites around a dual-front-line release, and it works just as well for our kites as the single front-line system does with other brands' kites.
I don't have official specs for line lengths, as it can be very complicated considering that when you account for knots and stretching (we cut our lines under load) the lengths of each individual line are very odd sizes. Your best bet would be to find a nearby NKB dealer and take the bar in and lay it out and figure it out with them. If you don't have a nearby dealer feel free to PM me and I'll see if I can lay out a bar here and see if we can sort through it remotely.
Dan, my setup would allow the bar to slide above the connection point - no ball, no ring, just grey and red middle lines connected to the 2 front lines. If I understand you right, after release the bar would slide past the Y connection point, effectively increasing the length of the Y leg. So, from the sound of it, my bar is set up right? That would be good news!Dan-at-North wrote:Our 2011 quad bar safety drops to a single red line that travels up about 5m to the "Y" where it flags the kite onto both front lines. All of our 4-line kites are designed in such a way that when you release to both front lines, the front connection points slide towards each other in the middle and the kite will drop onto its nose, similar to a 5-line safety.-Dan
I don't understand how the bar is for sale in a number of places, with photos and description and the web site doesn't still have them advertised and the manuals in PDF nowhere to be seen. It's strange how people from outside of North can have access to the new gear before the people at North.Dan-at-North wrote:I do not have any details on 2015 or future bars. My guess is that if there is a switch to a single-front-line safety it will be significantly different from the 2014 and previous linesets, top to bottom, so any 'conversion kit' would essentially be an entire new lineset.
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