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topmick
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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby topmick » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:09 am

I see what you mean but the Vader is still there, you just need to click on "all kiteboards"

https://shop.firewiresurfboards.com/col ... -kiteboard

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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby WH Lithuania » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:33 pm

Did you guys try to ride traditional shape after riding those noseless shapes? For this season I got Vader 5'5 FST kite for lighter conditions for my 85kg. Somehow so far we got light conditions only so I was riding that Vader only until the last session when it was way too much for my 8m. I was shocked that I basically need to learn to ride again with my old Mulcoy Pro 6'0 stick. This stick felt so light that it was hard to keep it under feet when going over heavy mush. On the wave it felt so agile that I was hardly able to balance and draw lines. That's the stick I rode for few years before this season without any probs (except not so much joy in light conditions). Now I'm pretty sure my 5'5 is oversized for me, but never thought that the stability it brings will affect my skills so much. Vader is interesting shape for sure, it planes well flat powerless waves, goes through chop nicely, but it turns much harder than performance shortboard and feels so different comparing to tradition shape.

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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby Bushflyr » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:49 pm

WH Lithuania wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:33 pm
Now I'm pretty sure my 5'5 is oversized for me, but never thought that the stability it brings will affect my skills so much. Vader is interesting shape for sure, it planes well flat powerless waves, goes through chop nicely, but it turns much harder than performance shortboard and feels so different comparing to tradition shape.

The issue you're having is due to the 5'5" VD being way too big of a board. At 85kg you ought to be on the 5'1" for most conditions. Also, the wide tail on the Tomo's means you really need to be back on the tail to make them turn properly. Trying to turn with your back foot on the front of the pad like in your video isn't going to work very well.

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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby Alysum » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:06 am

I have the VD 5"1. It's a great board for windy conditions but sucks in light winds ! Which is why I just purchased a Nugget 5"3. So I suggest you keep your Nugget and get a 5"1 for windy days like me :-)

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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby WH Lithuania » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:44 am

Thanks. I'm thinking what's the point of riding 5'1 Vader as it obviously will not have that light conditions performance. For nuking conditions nothing can beat great shortboard. I'm thinking that maybe EVO would be better fit for light conditions as I still keep traditional shortboard for great days.

What fins do you use? I have AM1 Blackstix that maybe is slightly too large? Maybe adding small F4 would give a bit more of turning performance even on my oversized Vader?

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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby topmick » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:21 am

+1 for the Evo but there's another thread to talk about that.

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Re: Firewire Vader

Postby purdyd » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:42 am

I have a 4' 10" evo and 5' 6" celebritas more a classic surfboard shape.

The evo is more slashy. So you can shove it sideways to change direction.

On the longer celeritas board you can really bury the rail and nose and power throough a turn so you can just let the rocker turn it.

It toook me a couple of sessions to stop burping the nose on the Evo.


I've ridden the 5' 1" Vader and felt it had similar characteristics to the evo


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