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flat wing vs. profiled wing surface arrea

Postby jaros » Tue May 13, 2014 9:04 pm

Hi,
I am guessing, that a compleatly flat front wing should have a bigger surface arrea compared to a profiled front wing to produce the same lift. The lift on a flat plate comes from the angle of attack (AOA), while an assimetrically profiled wing produces lift also at a zero AOA. Am I compleatlly wrong here?
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Re: flat wing vs. profiled wing surface arrea

Postby edt » Tue May 13, 2014 9:31 pm



I don't understand the question but maybe this video from 1930 will help.

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Re: flat wing vs. profiled wing surface arrea

Postby jaros » Tue May 13, 2014 9:42 pm


I don't understand the question


I am not very good in explaining thinks in English, but I will try to be clearer...
All commercially available kite Hydrofoils have profiled wings (eppler, naca,...). For exmple - if you would change the stock front wing with the wing made of flat carbon plate - exactly the same outline and the same anhedreal as the stock wing- will it have less lift? Should you make this wing with bigger surface arrea to be able to ride it at the same speed as the stock profiled wing?
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Re: flat wing vs. profiled wing surface arrea

Postby edt » Tue May 13, 2014 9:43 pm

watch the video I posted. I think it explains exactly what you are looking for.

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Re: flat wing vs. profiled wing surface arrea

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue May 13, 2014 9:47 pm

You are absolutely correct Jaros, a good thought :thumb:

The AOA is not important here (well, only if you are building of course), but the fact that a flat plate has a max lift coefficient just below 0,6 whereas a "curved" plate, or a cambered thicker profile typically has max lift around 1,0 to 1,3.

Because of the low AR a foil has, the high lifting foil will "lose" lift (tip vortices and loss at the tips), so the lift is not fully twice as high, but definitely way higher than a flat plate :D

If it was a glider wing (high aspect), the curved plate or profile would have slightly more than twice the lift of the flat plate :naughty:

So yes, if using a flat plate (which will work fine), you need more surface area to get the same lift, although not quite twice the size.

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Re: flat wing vs. profiled wing surface arrea

Postby zfennell » Tue May 13, 2014 9:51 pm

most likely more area.
AOA higher than zero is a definite.

.....either that or go faster


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