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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby rkolijn » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:28 pm

I own a Gong Hellvator ( http://gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.s ... 5FOILHELLC ) that has a Chinook (deep) tuttle box with 2 x M6 screws...

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:02 pm

3InletsWindsports wrote:Did not know there were 7mm screws.
And the chinook Tuttle is probably deeper to accommodate more brands of fins so they don't top out and not mate properly with the taper.
So really a std Tuttle.
And from my experience std Tuttle heads fit fine in deep Tuttle boxes. You just need correct length bolts. 6mm or 1/4 whitworth.
It seems that Tuttle (Std Medium and Deep) are using 6mm screws.
Maybe it is Horue that uses 7mm as the only ones - I will note that in next update, and have the medium Chinook listed, and the Gong.

But no, they are not all a Std Tuttle in the Chinook, Spotz and Axis uses the "Medium" Tuttle that fits in depth (58-59mm head versus 49-50mm on the Std).

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby 3InletsWindsports » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:07 pm

Maybe the Chinook version is the Std. And the smaller ones are in fact shallow Tuttle boxes.

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:00 am

3InletsWindsports wrote:Maybe the Chinook version is the Std. And the smaller ones are in fact shallow Tuttle boxes.
Ha haa, ohe could think so - but no, the Chinook is in between, as Larry Tuttle made the Std and Deep Tuttle long ago.
The box/head depth is chosen directly based upon the windsurf fin length - thus when the way bigger fins came into windsurfing in the 90s, the Chinook became popular amongst many slalom boards with big fins, and even a Tuttle box deeper than the deep exists for the 73cm Formula board fins :naughty:

I will update the pics later today, and also update both the last post and the very first - so if one wants to "find the overview" again, you can just look at the very first post of this thread too :thumb:

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:11 pm

I've also updated the picture in the OP, added the commonly used Chinook Medium Tuttle :thumb:

List of board/foil box/plate systems
Updated 20160813 11:10 UTC

Ketos
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw M6.
A 110x165/175/190mm carbon adapter is offered.
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.


Takoon
Boards: KFBox one screw.
Foils: KFBox one screw M6 (Ketos production).
Meaning boards should be compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.


F-One
Boards: KFBox two screws.
Foils: KFBox two screws M6.
Meaning boards should be compatible with one screw masts if drilling a center hole.


Alpine
Boards: KFBox one screw or 2 Screws if ordering with Ultimate or Titanium Foils. Alpine will install a second hole if requested on all boards.
Foils: KFBox one screw M6 standard or 2 screws standard if ordering Ultimate or Titanium Foils. Alpine will install a second screw if requested on all foils.
Boards compatible with two screw KFBox if drilling two new holes.
KFBox adapter to 4 bolt mount available for carbon foils.
Replacement heads for Aluminum foils provide KFBox, Tuttle Box, or 4 Bolt Plate mounting options.


TheKiteFoil
Boards: KFBox adjustable position two screws (but one could be used also, great idea with the long track).
Foils: KFBox two screws M6, or plate ??x???mm.
Or any other box on the foil head on request.


Sroka Foil
Boards: ProBox.
Foils: ProBox M6.


Taaroa
Boards: ProBox.
Foils: ProBox M6. Also offering Std or Deep Tuttle ? KFBox 2 or 1 screw ?


Horue
Std Tuttle and/or Deep Tuttle ? Using M7 instead of M6.


Spotz
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6. Also offering Probox ? KFBox 2 or 1 screw ?
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Axis
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6.
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Delta
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6.
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Gong
Boards: Chinook Medium Tuttle.
Foils: Chinook Medium Tuttle M6.
The Std Tuttle heads can also be used in Medium Tuttle boards, and Chinook Medium Tuttle heads can be used in Deep Tuttle boards, but Deep Tuttle heads can not be used in Chinook Medium Tuttle.


Zeeko
Boards: 85x160mm plate.
Foils: 85-90x160-165mm plate with slots for 6-8mm screws. Or Std Tuttle M6 ? offered on carbon masts.
Foils before 2015: 85x165mm plate.
Older and newer Zeeko foils fits all zeeko boards old and new. New foils fit other brands 90x165mm boards. Boards does not fit other brand 90x165mm foils though.


Moses
Boards: 90x165mm plate 6mm screws.
Foils: 90x165mm plate 7mm holes.
Boards/foils till around 2014/15 plate 68x148mm 7mm holes 6mm screws.


Levitaz
Boards: 90x165mm plate 8mm screws.
Foils: 90x165mm plate 10mm holes.


Liquid Force
Boards: 90x140mm plate.
Foils: 90x140mm plate.
Fixed in Funny Foil and Foil Fish board.
Sliding 90mm width in Happy Foil board.

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby m_elo » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:25 am

How about new Nobile hydrofoil serie ? => 90 x 165mm plate, 4 x M6 screws..
https://issuu.com/nobilesports/docs/nob ... 2017_final

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby juandesooka » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:58 pm

Adding to your list:
Slingshot
Plate 90mm x 140mm (between the holes)
M8 / 5/16" holes

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby Horst Sergio » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:23 pm

Hi Frank, still a very helpful topic

I found something not described yet and would be very interested in the measurements, it looks 99,9 % clear that this is not a probox but an elongated k-f box but elongated how long and on which side is the question:

deep k-f box

It is very strange that f-one seems to be the only one who use it on their long carbon struts, but uses for their boards more and more rails or even deep tuttle boxes :( :roll:
(Added: Also "Manta Foils" seems to have used it for a short while)

This does all not make too much sense to me, but maybe a sign f-one doesn't trust its on (deep) k-f box system anymore?

For me the only reason for a deep k-f box system could be, that all other boxes could fit inside with an adaptor, if you make an elongated deep k-f box which also allows different positions ... and if normal k-f box would fit diretly but with all that mess, who knows ... :roll:

Oh and we also seem to have a "Mini-Probox box" from TAAROA who seems to have decided as now Probox is pretty much used by surf foils, that we no need a Nr. 7 box as k-f box or tuttle seems not possible for them, so we now have:


3 x different tuttle boxes
2 x different k-f boxes
2 x different probox

Where two differnt box sizes would have been more than enough, Thanks to the kite foil industry, great job :roll:

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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby tautologies » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:00 am

All the Naish board comes with tracks. On the skinny boards, the aluminum tracks are slightly less deep, but all boards come with the correct hardware.
I think the tracks are 10” US Boxes.

On the foil, they have a standard plate. but sell both Tuttle and deep Tuttle that you can use on the mast. New of the year is also the abracadabra system that makes it way easier to mount and unmount the foil and to keep the foil mounted consistently at the same spot on the board.
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Re: Overview Boxes and Plates

Postby cnski » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:18 pm

Does anyone know of a short track box option? Maybe 3" or 4" long? Looking to have a foil track mounted aft to an existing track on a board. I seem to remeber seeing a pic of one on this forum but can't seem to find it. Thanks in advance!


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