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Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby hawaiianpunch » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:21 pm

Hi there,

I ride all North kites, I just bought a 4 line control bar to go with my Dice. I'm considering picking up a Slingshot Rally (also a 4 line kite).

Rather than purchasing a Slingshot bar, does anyone know if I could just ride with my North bar? I imagine the split ("v") of the front lines might vary from brand to brand. Would this even matter considering front lines are just static? I could probably adjust my depower to make sure the kite doesn't stall..?

Any chance someone might have the measurements of where Slingshot front lines "split"?

Thanks!

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby edt » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:37 pm

You just have to go out there and try it. Unfortunately there's no database that tells you which bars work with which kites. The manufacturers have no interest in mixing and matching that is north would never test on a slingshot bar or vice versa. Adjust your depower like you said and maybe the pigtails and such give it a shot.

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby hawaiianpunch » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:10 pm

Cheers thanks!

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby Bushflyr » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:42 am

Several previous threads hashed this out ad nauseum. The split height is irrelevant, some people have posted diagrams of the extremes, but in practical application it makes no difference. Basically any modern 4-line kite will work with any modern 4-line bar. At most you'll need to fiddle your pigtails on your kite by a cm or so.

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby knotwindy » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:07 am

and occasionally deal with single front line vs double front line (mini 5th) release but this is getting less common as most are moving to single line which will work with almost any kite now.

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby Tone » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:41 pm

you can use any 4 line bar on any 4 line kite. The only thing you will need is some pig tails to either lengthen the front or back lines (plus whatever kook proofing they have on the kites)

I used Slingshot bars on all my kites, ozone and Flysurfer.

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby ColdWeatherKiter » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:52 pm

Split height does make a difference, it adjusts the angle at witch the main lines pull the kite inwards. When the split point is low, the angle is quite mellow. When the split is high, the angle is bigger. A real life example: i flew my naish park 2014 (needs low V) on a high Y gaastra bar and trimmed the kite not to stall. It still flew like shit. It does make a difference. It makes a bigger difference on smaller kites. Also depends on the kite, my high Y gaastra kite flew okay on a naish bar. It seems that low V bars work okay on high Y kites, but not vice versa.

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:21 pm

Tone wrote:you can use any 4 line bar on any 4 line kite. The only thing you will need is some pig tails to either lengthen the front or back lines (plus whatever kook proofing they have on the kites)

I used Slingshot bars on all my kites, ozone and Flysurfer.
Spot on, and no, split height does not make any difference (apart from the trim maybe, which is a bit different from bar to bar anyways), in the normally used setups.

So you can use any bar on any kite, just with pig tails maybe, to change trim and polarisation if reversed :thumb:

Go ahead, it will be fine with your North bar, no problems :rollgrin:

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby alexeyga » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:27 pm

edt wrote:You just have to go out there and try it. Unfortunately there's no database that tells you which bars work with which kites. The manufacturers have no interest in mixing and matching that is north would never test on a slingshot bar or vice versa. Adjust your depower like you said and maybe the pigtails and such give it a shot.
Here, quick and dirty (edited):
KITE-BARS.jpg
*not claiming that it's perfect
*having to add 2m pigtails wasn't considered as "compatible"

Toby, we should make a sticky thread and forget about this topic for a good while.
Last edited by alexeyga on Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: Interchanging Bars with Kite Brands

Postby styleito » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:07 pm

alexeyga wrote:
edt wrote:You just have to go out there and try it. Unfortunately there's no database that tells you which bars work with which kites. The manufacturers have no interest in mixing and matching that is north would never test on a slingshot bar or vice versa. Adjust your depower like you said and maybe the pigtails and such give it a shot.
Here, quick and dirty:

KITE-BARS.jpg

*not claiming that it's perfect
*having to add 2m pigtails wasn't considered as "compatible"

Toby, we should make a sticky thread and forget about this topic for a good while.
I don't agree with the Ocean Rodeo column of your chart.
Their kites all come with 2 short pigtails in the bag. I add them to the kites' rear line connections and fly them on my Best bar.


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