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tswierkocki
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Re: Why not more canards ?

Postby tswierkocki » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 am

I have a lot of hours on the Zeeko Black and White, Zeeko Black and White with Carver wing, Spitfire with standard wings, and Spitfire with XLW wings.

I come from a surf background and mainly want to carve turns. My favorite of the bunch is the Spitfire with XLW wings.

I feel like the the Spitfire trades some straight line stability for excellent turns. The traditional Black and White excels in a straight line but lacks in the turns compared to the Spitfire.

Spitfire with standard wings is like riding a twintip or mutant in waves and with the XLW wings it is like riding waves on surfboard.

If I could only have one set of wings I would go XLW.

I typically ride the XLW wings in waves and the standard wings in flat water.

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@Re: tswierkocki

Postby Sombra » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:28 am

tswierkocki wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 am
I have a lot of hours on the Zeeko Black and White, Zeeko Black and White with Carver wing, Spitfire with standard wings, and Spitfire with XLW wings.

I come from a surf background and mainly want to carve turns. My favorite of the bunch is the Spitfire with XLW wings.

I feel like the the Spitfire trades some straight line stability for excellent turns. The traditional Black and White excels in a straight line but lacks in the turns compared to the Spitfire.

Spitfire with standard wings is like riding a twintip or mutant in waves and with the XLW wings it is like riding waves on surfboard.

If I could only have one set of wings I would go XLW.

I typically ride the XLW wings in waves and the standard wings in flat water.

Hi tswierkocki

I use and like very much the Carver wing. But I’m curious about the Spitfire XLW. But I do not know if it really makes the difference in small waves, mainly wind waves. I’m kiting in the Mediterranean area.

Wha do you think? Is it worth the money?


Thank you very much

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Re: Why not more canards ?

Postby galewarning » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:01 pm

OT: And do you foil out of Oleander [South Cole] most of the time? Thought the sculpture in signature looked familiar...
jakemoore wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:01 pm
Geriatric!
I'm riding my geriatric foil 90% of the time. ...

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Re: @Re: tswierkocki

Postby tswierkocki » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:47 pm

Sombra wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:28 am
tswierkocki wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 am
I have a lot of hours on the Zeeko Black and White, Zeeko Black and White with Carver wing, Spitfire with standard wings, and Spitfire with XLW wings.

I come from a surf background and mainly want to carve turns. My favorite of the bunch is the Spitfire with XLW wings.

I feel like the the Spitfire trades some straight line stability for excellent turns. The traditional Black and White excels in a straight line but lacks in the turns compared to the Spitfire.

Spitfire with standard wings is like riding a twintip or mutant in waves and with the XLW wings it is like riding waves on surfboard.

If I could only have one set of wings I would go XLW.

I typically ride the XLW wings in waves and the standard wings in flat water.

Hi tswierkocki

I use and like very much the Carver wing. But I’m curious about the Spitfire XLW. But I do not know if it really makes the difference in small waves, mainly wind waves. I’m kiting in the Mediterranean area.

Wha do you think? Is it worth the money?


Thank you very much
Coming from a surfing background the Carver felt like it needed too much front foot pressure to carve a turn. I wanted to be able carve with a similar feeling to surfing.

I only rode the Carver once after getting the Spitfire with XLW wings so for me it was worth the money to switch.

I ride the Spitfire in ocean waves, wind waves and flat water.

I also just got a surf foil so it will be interesting to see how it compares to the Spitfire.

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Re: Why not more canards ?

Postby jakemoore » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:09 pm

galewarning wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:01 pm
OT: Oleander
:thumb: Close to home and crowds are never a problem.

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Re: Why not more canards ?

Postby Sombra » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:13 am

Hi


What's about the low-end in comparison of xlw to carver?

Thanks again

Carsten

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Re: Why not more canards ?

Postby airsurfer » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:27 pm

Sombra wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:13 am
Hi


What's about the low-end in comparison of xlw to carver?

Thanks again

Carsten

I would say it's about the same if not slightly better on the XLW because the XLW accelerates and builds apparent wind faster and you can pop it up harder on takeoff without fear of breaching

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Re: Why not more canards ?

Postby tswierkocki » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:19 pm

airsurfer wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:27 pm
Sombra wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:13 am
Hi


What's about the low-end in comparison of xlw to carver?

Thanks again

Carsten

I would say it's about the same if not slightly better on the XLW because the XLW accelerates and builds apparent wind faster and you can pop it up harder on takeoff without fear of breaching
I agree. XLW wings were a direct replacement for the Carver wing for me.


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