9m Is 9m, the whole area is produced offcourse ... I think with the Pivot V Torch there is more canopy material on the Pivot. I have overlain my 9m Torch on a 9m Pivot and the pivot appeared to have at least 1m2 more canopy. Most pivot fliers would agree that its a "big" 9m for the general size of ...

Yeah that's a bit strange... the 2020 9m Torch is £100 more than the 2020 9m pivot, yet the pivot has a bigger projected area so must cost more to produce (=more ripstop, dacron & stitching). I can't see them selling many at that price.

love the colours, looks a great kite:

https://www.kingofwatersports.com/produ ... gKYM_D_BwE

yes... any info on this kite yet ? I agree, the Torch is far easier to fly than most people think. It's a kite that must have the correct tension on the 5th line or it becomes a pig to fly. Great news it's being continuted as for me it's the perfect all round kite.

How are you going to sell a product if you make a website and don't put any prices on it !!... There's not even any prices on the "find a dealer" or "accessories". Are the kites so special they don't tell you the price ?

Easily fixed. Try a plastic bonding product like "Black Swan" plastic solvent:

https://www.bes.co.uk/black-swan-for-pv ... gLLGPD_BwE

I ordered 2020 Pivots. There were 2020 Torchs on the order sheet ... Great :thumb: I rode my firends 2019 pivot and really wanted to love it... but coming from a Torch I simply couldn't! The pivot boosts brilliantly, but the power and slowness were limp compared to the Torch (I know the pivot is mo...

Torch still is great, I have 5 of them. Ewan Jaspan still rides the torch for Naish, he was riding it this week at the Hook River slider Jam. Are we 100% sure there won't be a Torch 2020 ? I would be gutted if Naish dropped the Torch from their line up. The Torch is easier to fly than most realise, ...

Is it 30% off yet?

.... said the disgruntled ex-slingshot dealer.. hey GRF

Great final lining up, all the top riders present (except Adeuri Corniel).... Go on Luis Cruz !...