Big foils, weigh heaps mate, they contain a lot of air, have 2 skins, ribs, bridles, pulleys, etc. Weight is an issue with big kites, but the new big inflatable kites are built well, are single skin and do fly remarkably well.
I have kited upwind on a Rhino2 20M in 6-8knots on a Jamie Pro 1.30 x 40m Board, people saw me, I was not dreaming it!
I have done the same thing on an R4 20M.
I have also kited upwind in 6-8 knots, on a 1.32 Underground FLX and the Best Nemesis on my short holiday last week, look how flat and glassy the water is in my avatar picture to the left.
I could so small jumps in the slightly stronger gusts, mainly die to the speed of the kite, and how fast it allowed me to move across the water, which meant the kite had good apparent wind. Nemesis kites, and R04/02 kites, fly fast, the secret to making big kites work.
I have yet to see a big bridled foil fly fast enough to be a serious contender to the newer big inflatables, on the water.
I do a lot of kiting in light winds, due to my crook knee. I would use foils if they actually worked better, I sell a big range of foils, unlike almost any other shops in Oz.[/quote]
Hey while your at it, dont forget to mention your bodyweight, cause if i had 60 kilos id be flying at 8knots.
In any case, this is not about foils or LEIs (mind you, no matter how high tech an inflatable 20M kite is - its got bladders which are the weight problem which destroys all other LEI weight advantages), its about:
no way you can JUMP at 6 knots.
Making a kite move fast is nothing new - that will work on any kite but sining like crazy to go upwind cant be what you call kiting.
I sell inflatables and foils on my island and theres no way im gonna make any of my customers believe that 6 knots will do it because they are the magic "superbrand" kites. Dont know how you can do it, but seeing is believing so ill wait for hurghada. What i miss here is the fine but essential difference of how they say things. If your gonna put "jumping at 6knots" you should mention weight,boardsize,kitesize,AVERAGE wind, lulls, water conditions and last but not least, airtemp. Cause all this is really important when you start crawling around in the under 8 knots section - no matter what wonderkite you got.
Going upwind with 6 knots maybe if you sine it - and lets face it that super glassy water you take as an example isnt really your typical kiting beach on sea (thats what most people got infront of their doors).
Besides the fact that they had a 124cm board dude, and you a bigger one...[/quote]
Don't get too worked up by what I say, lifes too short!
I am 70kg, the board was 8cm longer, big deal. The water was flat, that makes a small difference, but water is pretty flat sub 10 knots.
Anyone who say they can jump huge in 6 knots is full of BS, I agree with you.
I did not have to sine the kite like crazy, it was parked most of the time.
If you are sining a kite like crazy you are most likely going downwind.
If you lived where my picture was taken, that would be your typical water conditions, there are many places like this in Oz and aropund the world.
There are no magic kites, just really well designed ones.
Bladders are lighter than ever, and bridled parafoils still contain more air and are consequently quite slow to turn, and fly slower, so they generate less apparent wind, and don't work as well in light winds, yet.
Making large inflato kites fly fast and turn tight and fast is new, get on one of the kites I mentioned, you will be convinced.
Board size can compensate for weight, bigger people need to use a bigger board, and maybe even a bigger kite.