psycho 2 or Lei?

[fatlip]

Any converted ex-LEI to pycho 2 boarders out there?
Is the extra cash worth it and can you get as big jumps with the psycho foil?
What are the main differences (apart from inflation)
Any down sides?
Considering buying a 13m as I landboard also.
Respect!

[zfennell]

I'm not really ex-anything.
but I am partial to foils.

Launching/Landing unassisted (especially from nasty launches),
good range comapred to any kite,
land/snow/water use for one kite,
long life,

are some of the collective advantages.

You'll never need to appologise for the way a psyco jumps.

The arrival of the Speed will probabaly make used P2 prices more affordable with a little comparison shopping

Overall, they are not as maneuverable as LEIs.
But the good kids can still make them dance.

-bill

[jrobson]

I'm working on a mod to make them more maneuverable, and take out some backstall, these are the only 2 issues I have with the kite.

It is a bit early to predict exactly how it will behave but so far things are looking really good, hoping to get some more time to sort out the line lengths this weekend.

[ctxpv505]

i as an instructor i cannot recomend foils as it is virtually impossible to do a self rescue with one, as they have no floatation or 'structure' of their own

personally i think they fly very bad, and thay your much better off with a good lei

however i have only flown a physco2 16 once, and hated it!

[jrobson]

There is no psycho2 16.
Self rescue's have been done, the kites float just fine.

If you hated it and think it flies bad, thats fine, they are not for everyone... but don't come with the BS "can't self rescue, doesn't float" nonesense.

[the_lone_wolf]

i as an instructor i cannot recomend foils as it is virtually impossible to do a self rescue with one, as they have no floatation or 'structure' of their own

personally i think they fly very bad, and thay your much better off with a good lei

however i have only flown a physco2 16 once, and hated it!

with instructors still spouting this 1990's bullshit it's a wonder anyone can even consider a foil as any good these days...

fatlip, i'd get a 10m P2 if i were you, much more fun than the 13 but needs more wind obviously, 15knts and you'll be powered up on the water, i've used mine from 11/12 to beyond 30 on a wiiiide board. good attributes are the lift, upwind and hangtime, the larger sizes don't turn as fast as modern LEI's of the same power, but they aren't slow for the power, the smaller sizes are as fast as you'll want something with that power to be.

the difference in bar pressure is most noticable on the P2 compared to tubes, it's very light to medium according to the settings you use, this isn't an advantage or disadvantage but something you may consider.

as for using it for landboarding as well it's perfectly suitable, the P2 is far more suitable for water use than any LEI is for land use

[zfennell]

i as an instructor i cannot recomend foils as it is virtually impossible to do a self rescue with one, as they have no floatation or 'structure' of their own

personally i think they fly very bad, and thay your much better off with a good lei

however i have only flown a physco2 16 once, and hated it!

note to self:
don't ever take lessons from this man

[ctxpv505]

ok, my mistake, was a psycho1 15.5

i agree im not clued up on foils, so explain to me how to self rescue on a foil, espically it it has torn...

[Janus]

lesson #:
Never go out further then you can swim... with any kind of kite.
lesson ##:
Wear appropiated safety gear (crash vest / floatation vest)

and lots more of rules, but with these 2 you should be able to come on shore again... no matter what kind of kite or no kite...

You should know instructor...

[the_lone_wolf]

ok, my mistake, was a psycho1 15.5

i agree im not clued up on foils, so explain to me how to self rescue on a foil, espically it it has torn...

hold the tips correctly and it'll inflate and pull you on a broad reach back to shore, if it's torn it doesn't make a difference. how do you self rescue an LEI who's leading edge bladders have popped, or if it's ripped in half doen the centre seam?

the PSYCHO was a unique kite, designed back in 2003 i'd hardly expect it to be able to compete with any 2005/6 kites for turning speed or feedback, it was designed for one thing, to jump, which required a very different technique to tube kites, i'm not surprised you hated flying it if you didn;t know how to fly it, try any 2004/5 foil, the latest models (PL Venom and FS SPEED) are much much better than the ancient foils most people have flown