Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:11 am
Let's do that then. Let's do a little informing. Just for you bud.vide wrote:Are you serious jess-man? If so, you are pretty ignorant or uninformed.
Back in the day when this sport was getting started people were using both inflatables and foils. But it wasn't hard to see that inflatables were far superior to foils for water relaunching. So naturally more and more people began to fly inflatables in those early days.vide wrote: People were debating foils V's inflatables on fourms online 7 years ago. Back then, there were probably more foils than inflatables. It seemd at times that foils might have a chance. While they are good on land, I have never once seen a foil on the water that looked like it would offer a good experience. Foil die hard cruisers may disagree.
When's the last time you've flown a foil on water?vide wrote:Inflatables are rigid. thats why they turn so directly and have so much stability. Flying a crossbow is nothing like flying a parachute.
Actually when's the last time you have ever flown any foil. Period. What you just described is exactly how a foil flys.vide wrote: The innovation in the crossbow is that it has all the benefits of an inflatable, but in a more powerful design for size, with unlimited top end.
The C concept is still part of the bow design. The very simple bridle provides the same c shape of a C kite. The ktie sits above that and can be flatter. The front conenction points are further forward, and that combined with a flatter wing than can pivot without distorting the kite shape gives you the Bow.
It nothing like a foil.
Haven't you ever wondered why they came up with the flat kite? You never thought about it did you?
Have a little peek at the selection chart from Cabrinha'a own web site while I explain this to you. It's kind of a Glass half empty half full explanation.
Most people will look at the Bow kite as like you said your self; "The very simple bridle provides the same c shape of a C kite. The ktie sits above that and can be flatter. "
ALL THEY DID WAS CHOP THE TIPS OFF!!!. Obviously there was some tweaking but this is basically what they did. (But if you look at a Psycho2 or an Extacy from Fly Furfer, a bow is relatively the same shape. Flat mid section, curved tips, swept back wing.)
That's why you can go out on your 12m Bow when other guys are on there, oh I don't know... maybe a 16m C Kites. There is no lift generated from the tips of your C kite. Cabrinha knows this. Takoon knows this. Every one knows this. So why do we tips on our C's? Simple. To make the kites simpler so no bridle is needed.
Just remember when your flying your expensive Bow and every one else is flying bigger C's. It's cause the kite your flying is the same size but they ripped you off and didin't sell you the tips.
I'll take that bet. I'm saying C's with total 100% Depower. Why go to all the trouble of a Bridle system when it's not nessessary.vide wrote: I actually think there will be more C kites being used in 6-12 months. But the more important question is what will most new kite sales be in 6-12 months? I bet Bows.
I hate to say this; but before the HELLFISH were blowing up it was awsome. And it had a huge range of power. Now unfortunatly they had there problems. But I'll make another bet and say that when they rerelease the 2006's ... It's not going to happen again.vide wrote: The current crossbow already offer more range and power control for water use than any other kite that has existed before, c kite, foil or otherwise.
I gotta tell you a little story before I get to your next quote.
A buddy of mine is really into Golf. He just went and bought himself a new set of PINGS before the summer. The guy fitting him up asked to see his swing. So my buddy showed him. And the guys say's "Great;" and goes about setting up my clubs for him.
My buddy asks if there is anything he should change in his swing for these new clubs and the guy reply's, "No. You've been golfin more then 10 years. Your swing works well for you. Why shold you buy a new set of clubs that makes you change how you are comfortable swinging?"
So the guy sets up my buddies clubs to suit him so he can keep doing what he does best.
So now you tell me again why you think Pro's are going to jump on the Bow bandwagon? Why should they have to re-learn how to do all there tricks on Bows when they have something that already works well for them? And before you refer me the the audio of Andre Phillip talking to Pete Cabrinha about how great the Switchblade was, why don't you have another listen and here the excitment in nhis voice about the new kite. Makes me want to buy it.vide wrote: Some pros dont like it, because they have to learn how to get the most out of it before they can confidently pull the tricks they are pulling with their current kites. But that will change.
They'll have there moment ther is no doubt about that. There moment is here it's now; everyones buzing about them. But I'll say by mid 2006 Total depowerable C shape kites will be all the rage due to there simplicity. And if not the C then the Foil will surely take there place come 2007.vide wrote: 2006 will be the year of waves, and the year of the bow. No doubt...
Anyone flying a Bow or considering buying one should really go for a rip on a foil kite. Rememeber these Bows have only been around for short period of time. Not even an entire season. There is alot more R&D that has gone into foil development. Cabrinha has 2 different kind of Bows. Flysurfer has 4 different kinds of Foils. Each with very different shapes which have been around multiple generations.
Bows and Foils have many similarities in there flying style. If you are going to ride a Bow save your self the time on the beach and go ride a foil.
Oh and vide...