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Fone - 5th line safety release (NOT)

Postby raoul » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:14 pm

I just recently bought a brand new Tribal II size 9. I really love this kite.
Feels totally like a C kite.
High jump, long airtime, very stable - even in gusty winds, amazing De-power (Just like a bow kite)
Simply a GREAT DESIGN.

One problem I have with the kite (and I have heard from other people too) is that in the case the kite gets tumbled in the waves there is no way to release the 5th line in order to prevent it from tearing the kite.

I have seen that both Slingshot and Gaastra use a Wave Grenade that allows the release of the fifth line in this kind of emergency.

- Does anyone know how F-One deal with this matter?
- What should I do if I find myself in this situation?
Totally release the kite and hope for good
Pull the quick release but stay on the fifth line leash
Do nothing and simply take my chances trying to re-launch the kite

Maybe someone has already overcome this problem and can let us all know about it.

Thanks,
Raoul


By the way, the kite design is great and construction quality is superb.
There are a few minor things I would like to see in next years kite:
- One pump
- Dynamic stopper ball (like Slingshot, Best etc.) especially on the bigger sizes.
- OH-Shit handles
- A shorter Y bridal.

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Postby viktor » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:06 pm

Find out how the kite works on 4 lines and if it does well just set up your own wavegrenade?

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Postby raoul » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:54 pm

Its not that simple to put a wave granade. the fifth line has plastic tubing + 2 little balls that will not let it pass through the bar.

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Postby viktor » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:01 am

Cut it all away and put a new line onto it or where the stop on the 5th line is above the bar put a carbine hook so you could un-clip the top part of the 5th line?

Another way to go is to flag the kite on one of the front/back lines and hope that the 5th line will slip off the kite.

Another is to do away with the 5th line leash and just keep a static 5th line above the bar which you could activate if you need to but run it on a suicide setup. I have this setup myself, if the kite ends up in the water its a nice fast way to relaunch it, the safety is till there. The pull is not that bad if I loose the bar and I could usually recover it before the kite hits the water unless it heads straight down.

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Postby Roman181 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:57 am

I'm also riding on tribal II 13 M. The kite is awesome!!! But I have the same problem. Bad relaunch or failure to relaunch the kite in waves the 5th line may rip the canopy.
I don't think that I need to be the F-One R&D rider. If F-One has this kind of problem they should fix it. I'm not planning to change the setup or remove the 5th.
I think in this case the best answer will be from F-One.

Roman.

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Postby PAFF » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:24 am

The F-one - Naish-North have knot/ball just under the Y....

So if you put a granade on the bar, it wont help shit.. The reason these kites have this depower, is that they have constant pressure from this knot/ball on the LE through the 5th...

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Postby RAL INN » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:34 am

those kites with wave grenades as such, are in the minority at the moment.

When the first CLS (wipika) came out, there was some focus on the advantage of a dacron trailing edge.

Wipika in pioneering the 5th line concept had obviously seen this problem of the 5th slicing the kite, and went for the 'Y' 5th connection and the dacron trailing edge.

the Tribal2 not only has these features but the 'Y' piece is very long and as such any attack on the trailing edge is load split.

Like a lot of kite features, having a wave grenade is only useful if you get to use it.
How many of us see it as an advantage, that when we crash on a wave, then whilst in the washer, we see our kite bowtieing and then want to disconnect our only safety leash. Next decision "hold on or ditch kite totally".

some may like this senario, but if you have time to see the kite heading to bowtie. then that's the time to actvate the 5th.

Or on waves ride unhooked with a wave 5th system. Crash let go. No probs.

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Postby Roman181 » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:07 am

So basically you saying that f-One use's the Y bridle for a load split. And there is no way to disconnect the 5th line in a scenario that mentioned above? I'm not talking about riding in wave's, just bad relaunch after jump that went wrong.


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