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We need a GK position on security issue

Postby bekite » Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:33 pm

Hi, I was for 3 years the italian distributor of GK kites and due to many reasons I stopped few weeks ago. Probably I will be blamed by GK promoters and distributors, so everyone sensible to SAFETY should help me to keep this post as clean as possible because the issue is serious.

Before stopping distribution I officially asked to GK's designer Mat Pendle to check his CL quick release because I had a serious problem and I was not able to release the kite that was taken and hitted by waves. I also did a lot of test to verify if it was "bad luck" but my conclusion is that the system is not working because used in presence of sand and salty water. GK answer was "not possible, we did a lot of tests and the kiter should always wash it carefully" but I will never accept an answer like that and after three weeks of no additional explanation or solution I came to the conclusion that this issue must be of public domain because WE CANNOT PLAY WITH KITER'S SAFETY. I also officially informed italian authorities responsible of product's security.

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Please check this link http://www.bekite.com and analize the additional pictures of the CL quck release and you will judge yourself if the system is acceptable. Take under account that the "BLACK BOX" is closed by 7 screws and you can check what's inside only by opening it.

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Postby Toby » Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:39 pm

I read in magazine that there was a problem and GK is aware of it and replaces the faulty ones. Same issue or a different one?

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Postby bekite » Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:45 pm

Toby wrote:I read in magazine that there was a problem and GK is aware of it and replaces the faulty ones. Same issue or a different one?
Hi Toby, very quick answer.
I'm not reporting about some faulty ones, my report is about a NOT WORKING QUICK RELEASE SAFETY SYSTEM.
Anyway, if you know of GK "awareness" please let us know and publish what you read on magazines.

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Postby KiteSurfingKen » Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:23 pm

When looking at this image, it appears a heavy load may bind the lever arm and make it very difficult to action.
when testing it is hard to simulate emergency loads.
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Can you describe what happened in your situation. I had a bad experience with a different brand quick release and since then have been interested in finding one that is simple and reliable.

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Postby Toby » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:03 pm

sorry, I did a mistake...it was the 2008 quick release from Gaastra!

If you own a Gaastra 2008 Max or Jekyll, test your QR and see if it works. If not, send an e-mail to: recall@gaastrakites.com

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Postby Toby » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:07 pm

again: we need to insist of a STANDARD and working quick release.

WE should define one that is working, set up a fund for a designer and then put pressure on the companies. That's the only way along the right training to release to guarantee less accidents and fatalities.

We can make the sport safer, the question is, if we really want it!

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Postby bekite » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:50 pm

KiteSurfingKen wrote:When looking at this image, it appears a heavy load may bind the lever arm and make it very difficult to action.
when testing it is hard to simulate emergency loads.

Can you describe what happened in your situation. I had a bad experience with a different brand quick release and since then have been interested in finding one that is simple and reliable.
Very simple, the sand goes inside the box througt the many holes on the box and "locks" the leverage system because there are only few 1/10 of mm between the box and the lever.

The question is "how to avoid sand to go inside?" My aswer is "It's impossible"

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Postby theflyingtinman » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:26 pm

bekite wrote:
KiteSurfingKen wrote:When looking at this image, it appears a heavy load may bind the lever arm and make it very difficult to action. ...
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Very simple, the sand goes inside the box througt the many holes on the box and "locks" the leverage system because there are only few 1/10 of mm between the box and the lever.

The question is "how to avoid sand to go inside?" My aswer is "It's impossible"
Actually it looks like quite a good design as far as being able to deploy it
under heavy load. But I can see how it could very easily become a death-trap
if the area under the left end or above the right end of the lever becomes
packed with sand.

Not a perfect solution, but anyone using one could probably make it a little
safer (until they replace it) by cutting away the mating edges of the two
halves of the enclosure, on the left, under the lever (near where it says
"locking indicators" on KSK's photo) so that any sand packed in there can
be pushed out by the left end of the lever.

Of course that would open it up for even more sand to get in and foul
above the right end of the lever where it moves upward when pulled by the
deploying string. You could maybe reduce that risk by drilling a 3/8" - 1/2"
hole through the top half of the enclosure right above where the deployment
string goes through the bottom half of the enclosure. That way you can
visually confirm it is clear of sand above the right end of the lever and in
the area of the chicken loop interlock lever, and if not, you could maybe
wash the sand out through the hole.

Even without seeing one "in action" it is obvious that ingress of sand could
easily disable the release mechanism and when it is all closed up sand
would be difficult to detect and even more difficult to clean out effectively.
GK's solution, cited by bekite, that "...the kiter should always wash it
carefully" is simply not good enough.

My suggestion above is based on nothing but what I see in the pictures
posted here. It may not make this QR any safer and may even weaken
it to the point that the enclosure fails, but if I used one, and had no other
option, that is what I'd try until the inevitable (I hope) recall.

As it is I don't own one, and if I did I would have other options, so I would
stop using it immediately.

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Postby Rustas » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:20 am

Sooo..
It looks a bit like a normal trigger, kind of.

So imagine me and the designer of this thing, with a gun...(a revolver)

I keep sure that the bullits are dry, and this other guy (designer) rolls the revolver in the wet sand...

I'm quite sure that he will survive...when i put the revolver into his mouth and pull the trigger...every now and then...

I'm not so sure the average kiter likes that percentual...

Keep it clean!

I'm starting to se "engineering" getting into this sport...do they kite aswell?

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Postby Kitebdr1962 » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:38 am

Would someone just pay a punch of money to Dimitri, and have his QR/Idea the Standard across the Board in the Industry...I do not ride Eclipse Kites, but I personally know Mr. D....His QR is very Simply, and You can do It with ONE HAND, Not Two, like You do with the "Pin System"..The Pin System has been around for years, and it will ALWAYS take two hands to put it back together...The QR that Mr. D worked on, it is very Easy, very Safe, and it only takes ONE HAND...It is Time for a change in the System, like Toby is asking...If We pay this much for Kites, then We need to ask the Industry to listen to Us, not the Kite Designers...Design the Kites, but leave the Bar alone, because it just needs to be SIMPLY....A Bar, Four Lines, some O-Shit Handles, and a Kill Button/Lease connection....And A Very Easy QR....


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