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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby FredBGG » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:57 pm

Came across this thread showing a down wind drift launch of a Speed 2 19 in low wind.
Not deep water, but it can help giv you an idea of how it works:

http://www.kiteus.com/forums/index.php? ... entry45087

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby noel » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:24 pm

Fred,

It is just as easy to do with a inflato as it is a foil. I'd like to see how far off-shore you are going to swim with your gear. With on shore winds and no waves, it's simple. But with waves, of course much harder even for you.

It seems that you know very little about inflatos. You would not put it on its back as it would continually roll down-wind. You would wrap the lines up so as they are tight. If you leave them loose (including your foil) the line will most likely tangle behind the kite as you are swimming. When you get to where you want to be, place the kite w/ LE down like on the beach. As you let your lines out they drift down wind. You may have to swim abit into the wind to get the lines downwind faster. Turn the kite so as the kite is sideways (like the video of the drift launch) and let go. The kite will stay LE down and not turn at all until the lines get tight. LAUNCH!!

I have done this over 100 times in the keys so as to ride the best slicks and hard to reach places. I usually just jump off a dock and swim out. For experience kiter, I think it could be a great idea but for the average joe? We would definately see more accidents. If anything fouls the lines while trying to launch you would be on the beach in seconds. What would you do if you wanted to change boards? Let me guess since you can't come to the beach. Self rescue, swim to beach, change boards, swim back out and do it again. Good luck on that one.

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby frankm1960 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:18 pm

Kosh wrote:The most scary part with kiting is being in deep water with the kite and lines in the sea.
Always afraid when the lines loose tension. Too easy to suddenly get a part of your body around a line..
Would never try doing the stuff in the video (unpacking and launching the kite from water)
Totally agree. I can't imagine what kind of spot you're sailing in where the better option is to rig in the water....

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby FredBGG » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:55 pm

noel wrote:Fred,

It is just as easy to do with a inflato as it is a foil. I'd like to see how far off-shore you are going to swim with your gear. With on shore winds and no waves, it's simple. But with waves, of course much harder even for you.

It seems that you know very little about inflatos. You would not put it on its back as it would continually roll down-wind. You would wrap the lines up so as they are tight. If you leave them loose (including your foil) the line will most likely tangle behind the kite as you are swimming. When you get to where you want to be, place the kite w/ LE down like on the beach. As you let your lines out they drift down wind. You may have to swim abit into the wind to get the lines downwind faster. Turn the kite so as the kite is sideways (like the video of the drift launch) and let go. The kite will stay LE down and not turn at all until the lines get tight. LAUNCH!!

I have done this over 100 times in the keys so as to ride the best slicks and hard to reach places. I usually just jump off a dock and swim out. For experience kiter, I think it could be a great idea but for the average joe? We would definately see more accidents. If anything fouls the lines while trying to launch you would be on the beach in seconds. What would you do if you wanted to change boards? Let me guess since you can't come to the beach. Self rescue, swim to beach, change boards, swim back out and do it again. Good luck on that one.
Never said it could not be done with an inflato. The way you described is what I would do with a LEI. If I'm not mistaken many BOW kites have the front lines nearer the center of the kite.
This should help alot to keep the kite from turning around prematurely

Also never said drift launching was for every one.

However swimming in any wind with an already inflated inflato is going to be a problem.
Just look at how long it takes someone to come in with a kite when they can't relaunch.

However I still think that a drift launch is a solution for riders that have a dangerous launch location with shifty and nasty wind.... and in particular desert Lakes where a wet kite will dry in minutes. Some lake locations have nasty winds at the launch, but much better winds furthur out.

I'm lucky that I live near several great beaches so it's not an issue for me.
The reason I learned to drift launch was to teach my son from a boat at least a mile from the crowd of kiters and with a mile or more of downwind buffer zone.

I'm also keeping my deep water launch skills up to par just incase the local beaches get closed.

You asked how far I would swim out with my gear. Actually when I did the drift launches I didn't exactly swim. I paddled out with the kite bundled up tight on the front of my surfboard.
I would have no real problem paddling out quite a long way as I use a very very floaty hollow carbon fiber surfboard.

Recently as I stated at the beginning of the thread A kitesurfer was killed on Lake Mojave recently.
He was very experienced and was lifted in a sudden gust.
If he had done a water swim and drift launch he would still be with his family and friends today.

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby andrewbanandrew » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:13 am

Any luck Nico?

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby Don Monnot » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:45 am

frankm1960 wrote:
Kosh wrote:The most scary part with kiting is being in deep water with the kite and lines in the sea.
Always afraid when the lines loose tension. Too easy to suddenly get a part of your body around a line..
Would never try doing the stuff in the video (unpacking and launching the kite from water)
Totally agree. I can't imagine what kind of spot you're sailing in where the better option is to rig in the water....
One spot I'm interested in trying this technique is an inland lake that is ringed by trees--no beach at all that's available to the public. There are a few spots where you can carry an inflated kite through to the water, but not fly the kite already launched. In an onshore wind or side-onshore, the water gets deep too quickly to be able to wade out into the lake before launching. Ya gotta swim (or paddle, canoe, kayak, etc.) to get far enough from shore to launch--otherwise your kite winds up in the trees along shore. Coming back to shore is much easier--drop the kite on the water and wrap up before you get to shore.

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby tomatkins » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:27 pm

Is there no place on the lake that you could paddle to, that would have the wind blowing a little bit off-shore? If so, then, you could use one of 2 techniques to get out and riding. You would need to put a fifth line on the kites and make some stuff out of PVC. If you are willing to go to a bit of a hassle and take upwards of an hour to get riding, then, I have some suggestions.

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby K-School SafetyFirst » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:15 pm


It's actually much easier than it looks.
It didn't look so hard in the clip.

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby C Johnson » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:35 pm

we do this style of launch as standard procedure in knee deep water at a local beach.

its a huge beach but the guys who fly flysurfer kites prefer to launch in the water for 2 reasons.

1. the beach is a giant mudflat so if you launch at the water's edge then your kite will look and smell like crap. and no it doesn't wash off!

2. at low tide the water can be as far as mile out from the high tide mark (its a big river delta) so that's a looong ways to try and walk upwind while fighting a kite in the air.

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Re: Full kite deployment in water for safety (and access).

Postby blowhard » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:04 pm

That's exactly what I would do in Belmont ,
I kited there back in 2000 with no one around and with the onshore wind and parking lot downwind :angryfire:
It's a sketchy launch when crowded ,as in a few years later with the beach packed with kiters
and fools fukin around on the beach :angryfire: :angryfire:

drift launching is very easy in flatish water


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