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Bar kitesurf attitude 09

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Re: Bar kitesurf attitude 09

Postby Toby » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:51 am

any release with not a push up release should be not be made anymore. we are close to a standard.

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Re: Bar kitesurf attitude 09

Postby swell29 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:40 pm

Excuse me toby ,I don't understand the signification of your last sentence ,can you explain ? thanks

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Re: Kite Attitude Bar 09

Postby kiteattitude » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:54 am

Toby, I disagree with you about "push away quick releasers (QRs)" for a number of reasons.

First: our quick releaser passed the French Afnor test, that is a very demanding safety test for quick releasers. We heavily invested in R&D (I can show you numerous calculations by engineering teams, dozens of designs...) to come up with a very secure quick releaser. Our design is patented.
Now tell me ONE brand that passed this Afnor* test using a push away system.
This means that under very strong pull (a kite can pull 200 kg easily), many QRs on the market will NOT release, or will require HUGE effort.

* Afnor test: see http://www.kiteattitude.com/us/kite_att ... nswers.htm

Second, manufacturing a push away QR is very unexpensive: this is basically a pin and a tube, or similar.

Third, under very strong load, do you seriously think it makes sense to push away rather than pull towards yourself?

It is not because many people are doing things one way that it is the only way or the best way... I am sorry to remind you that well over 50 people died from kitesurfing, and many others were very seriously injured, ... using what you call "standard gear" (!!!). This is very very bad publicity for the sport (although most media and pros are hiding the facts for obvious reasons...).
The reality is that many people are giving up kitesurfing and/or moving to windsurfing because they were scared.
My opinion is that we have to do something to change this.

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Re: Bar kitesurf attitude 09

Postby frankm1960 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:14 am

Toby wrote:any release with not a push up release should be not be made anymore. we are close to a standard.
Are you saying that the standard should be a "push up" release?

I don't know why a push up release would be better than a pull release. Personally find it more intuitive to pull in an emergency rather than push. Just me tho. All my bars have push releases.

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Re: Kite Attitude Bar 09

Postby I Like Ozone Kites » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:22 am

kiteattitude wrote:Toby, I disagree with you about "push away quick releasers (QRs)" for a number of reasons.

First: our quick releaser passed the French Afnor test, that is a very demanding safety test for quick releasers. We heavily invested in R&D (I can show you numerous calculations by engineering teams, dozens of designs...) to come up with a very secure quick releaser. Our design is patented.
Now tell me ONE brand that passed this Afnor* test using a push away system.
This means that under very strong pull (a kite can pull 200 kg easily), many QRs on the market will NOT release, or will require HUGE effort.

* Afnor test: see http://www.kiteattitude.com/us/kite_att ... nswers.htm

Second, manufacturing a push away QR is very unexpensive: this is basically a pin and a tube, or similar.

Third, under very strong load, do you seriously think it makes sense to push away rather than pull towards yourself?

It is not because many people are doing things one way that it is the only way or the best way... I am sorry to remind you that well over 50 people died from kitesurfing, and many others were very seriously injured, ... using what you call "standard gear" (!!!). This is very very bad publicity for the sport (although most media and pros are hiding the facts for obvious reasons...).
The reality is that many people are giving up kitesurfing and/or moving to windsurfing because they were scared.
My opinion is that we have to do something to change this.
attitude did the right thing, i dont believe in pushup you just want them all to be like that cuz most of them are like that but pulling in makes more sense and is a lot easier

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Re: Kite Attitude Bar 09

Postby alexeyga » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:39 pm

kiteattitude wrote:Toby, I disagree with you about "push away quick releasers (QRs)" for a number of reasons.

First: our quick releaser passed the French Afnor test, that is a very demanding safety test for quick releasers. We heavily invested in R&D (I can show you numerous calculations by engineering teams, dozens of designs...) to come up with a very secure quick releaser. Our design is patented.
Now tell me ONE brand that passed this Afnor* test using a push away system.
Could somebody clarify who's design that is to begin with? The bar it-self is the same as 2009 Eclipse, and the release was first introduced on 2008 Eclipse bars... So who actually did the R&D?

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Re: Bar kitesurf attitude 09

Postby swell29 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:53 pm

Kiteattitude is the designer ,they make the R&D ,eclipse bought it

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Re: Bar kitesurf attitude 09

Postby Antigrav » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:21 pm

I have to agree with toby here, if I am unhooking and lose the bar, when i pull the bar back to myself i don't want to be yanking the QR by accident by pulling on it. It makes sense to have all releases the same so that people are in no doubt (whatever kite they are on) that they know which way to pull/push the release.
Push away makes more sense to me because I think 'get away from me kite', so push the release/kite away from myself.
But of course it's just my opinion, it is not necessarily what everyone else gets on with, and I appreciate that other people will think differently

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Re: Kite Attitude Bar 09

Postby discojuggernaut » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:33 pm

kiteattitude wrote:
Third, under very strong load, do you seriously think it makes sense to push away rather than pull towards yourself?.
Pull in systems that require some load/tension to activate may not release when lines are slack. People sometimes release their kites prior to getting dragged/lofted.

Wish a push-away system, as long as you are connected to your harness hook, you should be able to release.


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