Advanced technic to bail out in air loft .

[kite4surf]

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You throw a kiteloop in overpowered wind on a slope you will not be coming down because you need to fly away from the lift band! Simple paragliding stuff! What do you think would of happened to malik if he had thrown a kiteloop on that hillside? Answer.. He would still be in the air!

Any paraglider can confirm that there are several methods to descend on

strong ascendent curents, "simple paragliding stuff!". One of them is the

"method to reduce a canopy area that expose to lift band", as aircatcher

correctly stated.

I can tell you that there are different types of kiteloops. Some can keep

you in the air, or even lift you, and the others can descend you ( the

slower ones, where you lower the kite to or below 45 degrees ), applyable

on ascendent curents too.

[kite4surf]

Maybe in a few years you will understand. Come out to Wyoming I have the perfect spot for you to show me your "advanced technic"

the future is now, you don't have to wait years to understand. I have a

present for your dictionary: late megakiteloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKBGhajFbDw. minute 0.44
Thanks for your invitation, it would be nice to see you in action, but

maybe you'll send me a movie with the spot and your flight and tricks
( I saw Billy B.'s glide, great! )
And of course, I defend every message sent through my movie: "Reconsider the KITELOOP as a safety problem " , " CONTROL your flight whith kiteloops " , " avoid places ... wich create strong ascendent air curents " .......... You only have to watch it carefully, and to understand it's messages.

[Tone]

this is a stupid thread which I hope no one listens to..

if you get lofted you are going DOWN WIND/up a bit...

when you are jumping off a mountain you are going upwind and thus have your weight and glide to counteract.

if you were to loop when lofted you will only end up disturbing the flow on the kite, going faster downwind and end up with less weight in the kite.

Toby this thread needs to be pulled before someone dies trying this stupidness.

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I am no glider and am in awe of ALL you fearless Barons Von Richter who dont pucker up and cower in fear at 15 feet..... chuckles especially when the ever analytical Rickl tries to get 2cents in and make armchair sense of it all given his resume of clueless near disaster. I just have to say one thing. For all the blown timing kiteloops that have sent me Davey-Slinging back at the earth going way to fast....lucky to be over the somewhat forgiving ocean.
anyway I once got truly lofted in dirty wind over snow for a very violent millisecond and the same hand that allways says "hell no" when I start going up fast pulled down hard and sent me instantly right back down splat. It wasn't planned, it wasn't high enough (yet) to be a kiteloop but it put me down in one piece and there were a bunch of old corralls downwind waiting to kill me otherwise. Had I waited 3 seconds and tried it from 40 feet, I dunno. Probably still be impaled there. "So we tanned his hide when he died Clyde, and thats it hangin' from the shed". But I still wanna learn them loops well enough to use them one day effectively. I am not sure if I will ever allow myself to be that high though. Great comments, we're learning, thanks for another entertaining thread.

[waynepjh]

http://www.vimeo.com/19590479
http://www.vimeo.com/18366413
A couple of my kiting vids. I have more onthe way just trying to learn final cut pro for the latest footage. This has been a great post!
here is another from pascal
http://www.vimeo.com/14916699

[kite4surf]

this is a stupid thread which I hope no one listens to..

if you get lofted you are going DOWN WIND/up a bit...

when you are jumping off a mountain you are going upwind and thus have your weight and glide to counteract.

if you were to loop when lofted you will only end up disturbing the flow on the kite, going faster downwind and end up with less weight in the kite.

Toby this thread needs to be pulled before someone dies trying this stupidness.

Please watch my movie carefully and read the advices that I have written

there!!!



When I jumped I didn't go upwind (in the valley), because it was a low

ascendent curent , I flew perpendicular on the direction of the wind and a

little bit downwind.


Sometimes , when I did kiteloop ,I was "going faster downwind " (up hill)

,but I controled the landing as you can see at 3:10 (minute)



( for shure the wind blows from the valey , and the lanscape that you can

see in the upwind is in other movie ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKBGhajFbDw , at 0:25 )


Don't forget that the kiteloops are part of the majority of the accidents

and it is beter to control it rather than to ignore it, that is the second

reason why I stated " reconsider the KITELOOP as a safety problem ".

The third reason was : when you have a good control over the kiteloop ,the

other movements are easyer to do and

the fourth - it's beter to be prepared for the worst .

I have carefuly made my movie , and there I gave several good advices . Do

you know what it means " 1 meter of snow " ?? = landings softer than on

the water !!

[aircatcher]

They say picture speaks thousand words,for those who are still in doubt,watch again carefully!( ...and read my previous analysis again) But anyway, these flight things are too dangerous for someone with minimal experience in ridge soaring and dealing with equipment weak links and without ability to predict the wind strength and directions of the lift band up there,you are truly unprepared and you can get blow back to the lee side roto zones then good luck with handling those dirty turbulence air , that's why i really want to shut my mouth and get off this case. For those who can benefit from this message and already applied this concept safely, I'll see you in Nirvana.I'll go now.

[Toby]

Why stop the discussion? It is very interesting to read and learn!

[Billy B.]

Why stop the discussion? It is very interesting to read and learn!

I think whats really happening is your witnessing someone who has discovered Late loops and using the kite while up high after flying off a hill, try and convince others how to use them based on one set of consistant conditions, and just their personal experance. While others are sharing info based on collective knowledge based on their experance and the ideas of others doing similair stuff.

The video of Chasta is like 4 or 5 years old, I have never heard Chasta say, Use kite loops to help yourself out of updrafts if you are getting lofted. And he should have 4 or 5 more years of good solid experance in using the kite to fly then many, he is also a paragliding pilot. He and Alex Peterson are the guys I learned to fly from, We have all talked about our worst flights, our bail out plans and how to deal with any situation we could imagine while in the air.

I think everyone who has the skills nessaecery understands how to make your landings as soft as possible by using loops. Heres a video from 3 maybe 4 or so years ago where we talk about throwing multiple loops, and the saftey needed while flying with the kite. No where in the vid is the topic of using kiteloops when things go wrong covered cuz its just not a good technigue or advise except while penitrating through the wind and having the distance to loop and swing with out hitting the ground. Just like in the side hill flight into a open pit like the orginal video shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dCQEqlylg

If there was some terrain that cuased the lift to have some variable current then it would create some turbulance, but that nice smooth hill makes nice smooth wind to use across the hill then nice smooth wind to use as he flys out into the pit. On that same type of hill I would be so stoked on how nice I bet that wind is.

BB

[ChickenTikka]

I don't have anything intelligent to add to this, but that was a very cool video! When I saw the eck thing a few years ago I wondered the same question.