Toby wrote:you did everything right, including staying calm.
You can only ask politely and explain why this would be great if he moves.
But you will quickly feel if that person is a jerk or not...smart people understand and will be happy to move. Stupid wannabees will cause trouble and raise hell.
There are that many nice people on earth, and that many idiots.
At least you still had a great time, so never mind that guy and waist your positive thoughts and memory on him!
poacher didn’t say where this happened but assuming it was the US side of the Great Lakes and that there is no official policy or rule stating that kiters have any kind of priority, the boater was EXACTLY CORRECT.
And any attitude that infers that any other user should have to yield their right to access in ANY way is EXACTLY the attitude which creates bans.
Assuming that poacher’s account is exactly correct and not slanted at all, poacher made a SERIOUS MISTAKE
by telling the guy that he and his family would be in danger by being there. Not only is this a thinly veiled THREAT which could have been morphed into a dangerous escalation of the conflict with substantial potential for the “terrorist” kiters to be involved as defendants in violation of Park rules or laws, but much WORSE
is the implication that they will use the inherent DANGERS OF KITING
to threaten harm to the boater.
NO KITER SHOULD EVER TRY TO MOTIVATE AN UNCOOPERATIVE NON-KITER TO MOVE BY IMPLYING THAT ANY TYPE OF HARM TO THE NON-KITER MIGHT RESULT FROM KITING ACTIVITY !!!
Note that “HARM” includes ANY anxiety as well as physical injury.
A better approach is to just say you need space. If they are the slightest bit annoyed or uncooperative, you should LEAVE THEM ALONE. If that means no kiting, then DON’T. If you don’t like BEING THE ABSOLUTE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN
REGARDING USE OF THE PUBLIC RESOURCE, your ONLY option is to get the local AUTHORITY to grant you some special use consideration (good luck).
I’m very surprised and disappointed that Toby would condone the above type of threat. If a kiter is such an a$$hole that he thinks it proper to threaten non-kiters, he should tell them he’ll shoot them or rape their daughter – NOT that they’ll be injured due to kiting activity.
POACHER wrote:At some point manners and being polite are out the window. I'm somewhat in agreement with superstoke, we don't always have to be yielding pussys either.
As a wiseman once told me, "Sometimes the best way to drive a point home is with a fist."
I don't condone violence, but some fuckers NEED to be told the hard way.
Try pulling that shit in Hawaii with the locals. You'll end up eating your dinner through a straw.
Since you and some other rocket scientists think “we don't always have to be yielding pussys either.”,
PLEASE list the reason(s) why not. I have a strong interest in access issues and I’d love to be able convince the people who REALLY matter (authorities) of your dangerous WISHFUL THINKING.
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