Big kiteloop backrolls

[Suncoast Kiter]

I have the lighter wind ones down but when i seem to try them is 20knt plus i tend to over rotate and get slammed. Which is quite dawnting when i think of going for it. Is it better to rotate completely then pull the loop when doing really big high back rolls in strong wind? When i do them in lighter wind 15knts, i pull the bar while im still backwards and the kiteloop does the rest. Any advice to prevent further injury would be great. Cos i love going big!!

[locofighter]

Yeah I have the same problem.
One tip: Keep your board on your feet or completely off. Once I crashed a bigger one with one foot in and it ruined my whole session because I did it in the first 10 minutes.

When I go bigger I just rotate slower, Idk about others.

[speedyRider]

rotate slower, easier said than done

i have this same problem every now and then when going big with this trick. it helps me to think jump first, then rotate, do not lean with your shoulder into the wind, and do not release the board too much on the wind but release it sooner (dont know if it makes sense what i say).

do not think backroll, think straight jump then rotate after takeoff. i also want to know what others say

[aircatcher]

Slow down your back roll rotation
But loop the kite fast when you start seeing the up wind view (don't look at the kite!)
The kite loop power will bring you to complete the body rotation.
After rotation and kite loop. if you are still in the air,try to keep the kite near zenith and the bar close to your body until you touch down or maybe initiate another counter loop if you see your self flying into the kite so fast.This will prevent the kite overflown into the other side of wind window.(result is losing power with the kite nose down)
If you still land with locked in high speed down wind, then adjust the bar so that entire leading edge facing upwind at zenith or start a small jump to neutralize that freaking power!!!.
This is only a simple general tip, there are thousand other ways of doing back roll kite loops when you discovered which segments of the wind window you had initiated the loop as your wind hemisphere also moving along with your speed and direction while you are in the air.
You might feel everything blur at first,but then you will eventually gain localization visual with more practice.
Hope this help,good luck with your dream to become Rubin.
PS: the real thrill feeling start when the power kinda shoot you horizontally,Stay calm!

[john a]

Yes I would have to agree, go full speed and try to focus on just getting air, and then go for the backroll and than the loop half way thou. But if you want it big, don´t wait to long with the loop!
And no there´s no point in trying to slow down the rotation, ones the kite loops you will be pulles around quick no matter what, but maybe try to get less rotation. It´s more like initiating a slow laid out backroll in stead of more like a flip. Had some insane ones yesterday btw in 40knots, man it can be scary when the gusts kicks in as well

Here´s a fairly new thread about it:
viewtopic.php?t=2372049&p=713759

This one is not that big, but anyway:

[Peter_Frank]

Exactly - you should initiate your jump with only very little turn/rotation "upwind".

Which means, you barely rotate at all - just a slight "idea" that you want to head upwind, and thats it - and dont look over your shoulder (yet)

Because, you will get the rotation when you pull the bar (and turn your head around)

So my advice is to wait looking over your shoulder - this way you can initiate the jump with almost no rotation, which is essential

Peter

[artbrushing]

What also helps: SHORT LINES
I used 20m lines and now I ride with 18m sooooooooooooo cooooooooool

Today I have tried it the first time with my Trigger 10m² (2011) very cool.
If you love looping, check you short lines. (with extensions to a normal linelength)

[edt]

Suncoast if your wind is anything like mine, I think your problem is just a case of getting enough practice in. When 20+ wind comes I get anxious because I know that I have to try all my high wind stuff that day, never have time to really relax and get my timing down.

I really need to book a trip to hatty or brazil so I can get a week or two of good wind. That way I can relax.

Might be your problem too, the good wind is too rare to really relax and get good practice in.

[Suncoast Kiter]

Suncoast if your wind is anything like mine, I think your problem is just a case of getting enough practice in. When 20+ wind comes I get anxious because I know that I have to try all my high wind stuff that day, never have time to really relax and get my timing down.

I really need to book a trip to hatty or brazil so I can get a week or two of good wind. That way I can relax.

Might be your problem too, the good wind is too rare to really relax and get good practice in.

Yeah i totally agree....when the wind is on i get excited and go out there pulling kite loops left right and centre. Take a few beatings but then sometimes i just get it all right and land it. I also agree rotate as little as possible but i have come unstuck trying this when i have not rotated enough and was pulled backwards!!! It does take practice getting just the right amount of rotation to suit the wind conditions. I guess i am more used to the 15-20knots here on the sunshine coast and when it does get start blowing 25-30knots i go out there kitelooping like it 15-20. Practice makes perfect!!! bring on a windy summer of kite looping!!

[waynepjh]

I Like to jump and only do half a rotation and turn my upper body "head and shoulders" so I am facing the kite. Let your legs extend out when the kite yanks so it's easier to pull in for landing. Jmo! Wayne