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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby nobby raish » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:14 pm

Thanks for the feedback folks!
With 3 struts, one-pump just seems overkill and lazy,more shit to go wrong.
Simplicity...weight shaving.....should at least be an option.
If you want it,buy it..If you don't....don't....let the people decide.
Pulleys wear the bridal,after 100 days the bridal needs replacing..
they clog with sand,seize-up and wear out....we have been over this.....
A designer once confessed to me that they put in pulleys when they're at an impasse,
and I believe it give kites a "washy" feel they rock back & forth on that point.
I want that super direct,engaged feel...i want to hook my lines TO THE KITE>
A-LA-C-kite.with very minimal bridal-ing,check the ozone reo they nailed this.
At least give the option,let US decide.there could be direct days,and pulley days(?)

RORKE- sorry,kiting is necessary :rollgrin:

ROSAIL- do you fly your rabbits direct?i'll admit most i have met don't
in fact their direct bridal is still unopened in the bag.
what you impression of the 2G rabbits(changes),the 10.5 punch looks like a money size.

>And yes any kites mentioned would suit me fine really.......
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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby RalfsB » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:35 pm

TheJoe wrote:One pump should be eliminated! It is a safety hazard if you lose any strut or air you lose the kite. If its in in deep water now you have lost extra floatation and have to fight swimming back with a water filled sail. I'm anti one pump!
It is not really correct. I can't speak about all one-pump systems but on what I have it works like this: inflate the whole kite, then lock the 'bridge' tubes - from this moment on each bladder is separate.

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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby edt » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:51 pm

RalfsB wrote:It is not really correct. I can't speak about all one-pump systems but on what I have it works like this: inflate the whole kite, then lock the 'bridge' tubes - from this moment on each bladder is separate.
if you dont got tube clamps you can buy some for about $2

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Bitching about one pump is like complaining your car comes with automatic door locks. If you don't like them, take it off, it's a 5 minute job to undo the tubes and add plugs, and it's cheaper to make all the kites exactly the same rather than have one model that is one pump and one model which isn't.

The naish octopus is an exception of course.

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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby nobby raish » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:10 pm

[/quote]Bitching about one pump is like complaining your car comes with automatic door locks. If you don't like them, take it off, it's a 5 minute job to undo the tubes and add plugs, and it's cheaper to make all the kites exactly the same rather than have one model that is one pump and one model which isn't.

The naish octopus is an exception of course. How that got out of design I do not know.[/quote]

>>this is totally incorrect.<<
One-pump struts do not have one-way valves....you are married to this design.
Love people who bitch,...about others bitching.
Educate your-self,then bring something positive to the discussion.

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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby edt » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:19 pm

nobby raish wrote:Educate your-self,then bring something positive to the discussion.
Nobby, I do think your original point is solid. When you go from 7 struts to 1 strut, you don't really need a one pump.

But I sure wish my 7 strut kite had one pump, it's a pig to inflate.

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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby nobby raish » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:10 pm

[/quote]

But I sure wish my 7 strut kite had one pump, it's a pig to inflate.[/quote]

Ozone or north?

When kites co$t nearly 2K,it should have any,and every option available,
and i think kite companies would'nt mind loosing the one-pump
less manufacturing costs and pass the savings on to us (good luck) :D
less weight,less clutter,less that can go wrong.
anyone notice some floppy struts on one-pump kites?

But believe me a one-pump kite cannot be bypassed without one-way valves in the struts,
pull out the your pump nozzle,and the air rushes out.
never mind the L.E. would have the tubes and clips flopping around.

but modifying is not the point...why have them in the first place?
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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby TheJoe » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:38 am

I'm sorry but those clamps are well crap. They will hardly ever hold because they can easily come undone or leak air. I have them and stopped using since every time I came in they would all ready be open. I have had 4 one pump failures and zero failure on my rabbits. I'm sorry but your not going to sell me on one pump. It is more points of failure end of story. If your going to argue that then I have some magic water that I will sell you at a premium for. It will make all your dreams come true and you will never age!

Rabbits fly pretty much the same on the single point. They don't absorb the gusts as well and are a little bit harder to relaunch. Well the relaunch is not automatic it just takes a little more time for them to pop up out of the water.

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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby CaptainArgh » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:44 am

I love One Pump and always get a kick out of these threads that degenerate into hating on a system that makes our lives easier w/ very little impact.

WTF are you guys doing that you need to pull your bladders out all the time? Of a 3 kite quiver, however long I keep it (1-2 seasons typically) I will usually have to repair one bladder on 1 of the three kites. Are you guys landing these things in briar patches on a regular basis?

I could see shop kiters caring more than the rest of us as they may have to work with kites that routinely get beaten up in lessons, demos and rentals. But for the rest of us, you probably spend more time on the forum bitching about the system than you do actually experiencing any negative effects.

One Pump rocks!! :thumb:
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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby nobby raish » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:55 am

NO HATE till you brought it,a discussion....less is sometimes more.
I don't think one-pump rocks,i have a different opinion,thats all...
moving on...

This is a real problem..many are not using the lock-off clips.
and thus opening themselves to the possibility of loosing ALL
the air from their kites,at witch point the kite would need to be ditched...
there is no self-rescue with a kite with no air.
this could happen as easy as a zip-tie off the 1-pump coming undone.
If you ride a nice warm spot,and stay close to shore,not i guess really a big issue.

We are getting at the heart of the problem here....

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Re: Delta/C With 3 struts......is one-pump necessary?

Postby nobby raish » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:21 am

the discussion is more specific to 3 strut kites as well,
Cap argh are your kites 3 strut kites?
what about airushs' one strut kite,would anyone argue
for a one-pump system on that,that would seem silly to me.
floppy struts and taking longer getting the air out of the kite
and many more parts and things to fail,are the drawbacks to one-pump.

you want hate try PMU's thread.


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