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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby Ted B » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:30 pm

Speed 4 8m Deluxe Review by Ted Bautista
Test conditions: Alantic Ocean w/ 4-6’ waves with + size sets
and a side onshore ,very onshore 17-35mph and mega gusty
From the “Hurricane Sandy” just to our south east.
Test Pilot : 6’2” 205lbs 6’1” stretch quad surfboard
I had this kite for over a week we have had no wind , the wind jumped on Saturday I was so pumped to get the new Speed 4 to the beach. Out of the bag I noticed the bridle was simplified only 1 pulley ,no jet flaps and only 1 dump valve in the center of the wing. I closed this stepped on a wing tip , grabbed the other tip, I noticed the kite filled instantly. I launched it at the side of the window and it went up perfectly! At the zenith it was mega stable and there was like no pull with the strap at full power and the bar all the way out ,I felt as I would need the 10m. But a quick pull of the Bar revealed that there was plenty of power for the 8m. I was amazed at the amount of depower at the bar. Fully pulled in I was floating fully out I could stand comfortably. I new it was mega gusty from the wind meters and my other friends on the beach had given me reports. I was also watching my friends kites jelly fishing and jumping around in the sky.. But none of this was transferring through the bar to me.. The Speed 4 is amazing at eating the Gusts. I Noticed other kiters where having problems staying upwind ( they where flying 8-11m Lei’s) and making it out through the break which at times was pretty big and the onshore winds where making it harder. I grabbed my 6’1” stretch jumped in the water threw the kite to the left and off I went at an super steep angle making it through the break with no problems and I was always the Kiter who was the most upwind and I was also the guy who would ride the longest waves downwind. The kite has so much depower the gust coming through would not even effect me even being strapless in such choppy conditions. The Speed 4 turns really nice and has good power through the turns. Its turning radius is very tight and in my opinion turns faster then the Psycho 8 and maybe even faster then the Psycho 6m. Going down the line surfing directly towards the kite I could loop it perfectly and it responded and stayed in the zone perfectly even when I would slack the lines. The kite was such a pleasure to ride I never put it in the water but I kited until my arms gave up.
Turning Speed ( my guess is it turns like a 9m lei ) Very Tight radius and it can pivot with very tight depowered with little pull or a tug of the bar and you get great pull all the way through the loop. Stability is amazing I say really Ultra stable especially the feeling at the bar. Feed Back is much improved the kites feel is very direct and you can feel its position in the sky at all times.. Best Flysurfer yet for this!!!! Depower the wind range is huge!!! I never touched the depower strap..I know this kite can jump I played with pulling the trigger off my surf board and the vertical lift was amazing. All in all this a huge jump for flysurfer . The speed 4 is a really amazing addition to the Flysurfer Line.. I will review the 10m and more on the 8m with twintips in the next days…

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby Séb » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:38 pm

In regard to the bar pressure here is what Armin told me :

"It is a bit more, which is not too bad a smaller kiter as you can feel them better. We did it like the feedback was for the SPEED4 in this smaller sizes.
A Hard/Softsteering line like at the SPEED3 12.0-19.0 makes no sense as you can only increase the bar pressure.
If you make the mixer more tight, the bar pressure will become a lot less. If you open the mixer (B-Main Longer) it becomes more.

Thanks, Armin"

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby plummet » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:15 pm

i want to know about the 15m s4. !

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby SupaEZ » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:55 pm

What is PMU waiting for to join in....an invitation?...i am surprised to see no RAMpage yet ... :lol:

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby TeabagVic » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:00 pm

Thanks for the quick reply.

I am not complaining about Flysurfer, neither Ozone Edge, they listen to the mass, and this is what they need to do in order to satisfy them. (right choice to do obviously)

It just sucks for me and the 5%-10% of people that either prefer low bar pressure or have to get kite with low bar pressure due to chronic tendonitis or physical restraint. I am in no way pissed off agains't Flysurfer or Ozone, actually thankful to them because they allowed me to continue practicing this sport for many years.

If the Speed4 10m as the same bar pressure as the Speed3 15m then im fine to kiteboard long hours everyday. If it has the same bar pressure as the Speed3 21m or Ozone Edge 13m then I ll have to be more careful and limit my time on the water, thats it. Cant wait to try it though.

Thanks for the info, Ian

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby SupaEZ » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:13 pm

Check this out...i read on the Flysurfer website...new SP4 larger sizes..12-15- "18" -21

Yes 18 meter...i always felt the 19 was too close in size to the 21..great move from Flysurfer !

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby The Captain » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:25 pm

SupaEZ wrote:Check this out...i read on the Flysurfer website...new SP4 larger sizes..12-15- "18" -21

Yes 18 meter...i always felt the 19 was too close in size to the 21..great move from Flysurfer !
I concur! :thumb: for an 18m!

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby alexrider » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:53 pm

The Captain wrote:
SupaEZ wrote:Check this out...i read on the Flysurfer website...new SP4 larger sizes..12-15- "18" -21

Yes 18 meter...i always felt the 19 was too close in size to the 21..great move from Flysurfer !
I concur! :thumb: for an 18m!
I vote for a 17!

21 - 17 - 14 - 11.5 - 9 - 7 - 5.5

Please re-design the range, Armin.

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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby gmb13 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:44 pm

TeabagVic wrote:Thanks for the quick reply.

I am not complaining about Flysurfer, neither Ozone Edge, they listen to the mass, and this is what they need to do in order to satisfy them. (right choice to do obviously)

It just sucks for me and the 5%-10% of people that either prefer low bar pressure or have to get kite with low bar pressure due to chronic tendonitis or physical restraint. I am in no way pissed off agains't Flysurfer or Ozone, actually thankful to them because they allowed me to continue practicing this sport for many years.

If the Speed4 10m as the same bar pressure as the Speed3 15m then im fine to kiteboard long hours everyday. If it has the same bar pressure as the Speed3 21m or Ozone Edge 13m then I ll have to be more careful and limit my time on the water, thats it. Cant wait to try it though.

Thanks for the info, Ian
Hi,

Holden is exaggerating the Bar pressure a bit. The Speed 4 has a little bit of bar pressure (pressure when you pull the bar towards you to power up) to the Speed 3. The Power comes a lot more direct on the Speed 4 though which makes it feel a lot more solid than the speed 3. The PS4 had almost no bar pressure which gave it a very indirect feel.

The steering pressure is just as light as the Speed 3. You can still fly the Speed 4 with the minimum of effort. The bar pressure is still way lighter than any tube kite out there.


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Re: Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review

Postby TeabagVic » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:08 am

Thanks Gunnar, you guys are great with feedback, I am pretty sure that ill be fine (as I said I can ride the Speed 3 15m for 4-6 hours many days in a row without any problems) so if the Speed4 10m is similar to that 15m (S3) ill be more than fine.

The way you describe how the pressure works on the S4 seem a little bit like how the Edge works (not much pressure, but pressure comes more when you pull). But it will be less than the Edge obviously.

You are right, there is no bar pressure in the Psycho4. I cant wait to try the S4 10m, if I like it Ill order a 8m for sure. Will see for the 15m and 18m next year, depending how much pressure it is but ill know this after only ~ 2 hours on the 10m. And by then if there are some new S3 left somewhere, well ill buy them before they go away (I was/am extremely happy with them anyway)

Cant wait to get new height on this 10m!!!


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