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Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:48 pm
by ShaveTheWhales
You cant splice Q-power lines... it has a sheath around it and doesnt hollow in the middle like normal line.

As far as centre line flag out through a swivel goes - I'll take a pick of my custom bar tomorrow, to show how you get it to work by sleeving it... I used the latest liquid force ceramic swivel.

Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:40 pm
by Johnny Rotten
ShaveTheWhales wrote:Jonny - if not marketing hype then how did we manage to kite yesteryear without all lines snapping ???

The same way people flew 2 line kites with no safety release....bravely.....because you had nothing better......With other options available now, would this STILL be a good idea?

The factors of safety regarding safe working loads on ropes is designed so that they DON'T break. when you start operating between SWL and Breaking load, you gotta start worrying about a lot of the little things and how they interact and add up. It's not that it WILL break, it's just that you shouldn't act surprised when it does.

I've snapped my shave of "600lb" stock kite lines that were not even heavily aged.
(albeit all from the same kite manufacturer) so going lower than that doesn't inspire much confidence.

Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:01 pm
by ShaveTheWhales
Yea fair enough comment

Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:37 am
by Westozzy
edt wrote:that's a brummel splice in the above video even tho it locks the splice down better than any other splice you pay for it with about 10% weaker splice than a more simple class 1 splice where you just stuff the rope inside and don't pass it thru. To finish if it has to go thru a safety system, you lock it with by sewing some lock stitches if it doesn't have to pass thru anything narrow lock it with a zacher knot.

That's really the only problem with q-powerline it doesn't fit thru most single center line flagging systems.

amsteel blue has some pdf's that show how to do all the various splices, the zacher knot I mirrored online you can google it to see how to do a zacher knot.

for q-powerline you want to end both sides with a figure 8 loop and after that attach pigtails to end in a knot or a loop depending.

q-powerline is pretty stiff and is a hassle to lark's head on a kite, that's why you want to finish with a pigtail, but I have never had it harm the bridle when I have used it raw, just a pain to take on and off.

Ah got ya now, cheers.

Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:08 am
by sarc
Adding my experience

- I have a set of Q-power used for 10 years mainly weekends heavy uses not just park and ride - still totally useable, I think it got a little stretchy and spongy otherwise it's fine. Great stuff.
- This set has figure of 8 loops for tying to the kite's pigtail, no problem to the kite pigtails or the Q-power line. Definitely no need for sleeving or pigtails but go ahead if that's your thing
- You can definitely fly on 300lb lines but you are taking great chances for no measurable benefit. How about if you get dragged underwater with 1 or 2 lines under tension... crash a landing... 100 things could go wrong and you could snap a line and get a death loop. Totally not worth it.

There's lots of posts on the forum on how to tie Q-power properly, a search will bring it up.

Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:31 am
by ShaveTheWhales
Heres a little something for you unedumacated natives on line forces.

A line can break anytime regardless of strength - its called mass production... thinner lines weaker ? re-read the sentence :wink2: ... w-fyN7wjN4

Re: Source for Q-Powerline?

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:57 am
by Caesar
This the knot Q-Powerline recommends (and I use too):
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I always attach pigtails to the lines to connect to the kite's knots and loops.

Caesar 8)