tautologies wrote:Flawed designs could make that happen delayed.stephk wrote:Why is this thread even have "SAFETY ISSUE" in it? Sounds like it was started by someone who was whining about a warranty claim and didn't get a free kite out of it.
The amount of times I have had to fix bladder related leaks, valve leaks and pin holes on all types of brands is incredible. If bladder issues were a safety issue, I should be dead by now!
Bladders are sensitive because they have to be light. Having a bladder not properly installed is obvious to see the first time you inflate a kite. That it happened 11 months down the road? I don't think so...
I dont know what you are getting so upset about OB. What I posted was perfectly factual - there is a big problem with quality control out of factories in the far east and especially China and everyone knows it (except you). And in my opinion, the larger a customer you are the less likely they are to try to f*ck with you - although that is not a guarantee they wont try and rip those off as well. I have actually received msgs on here from Dmitri regarding this which I wont repost because they are private communications. Having been to China a few times I have come to the conclusion that ripping people off is part of the culture. (NOTE: This is because of the effect of Communism in China, this is not a racist statement about Chinese people in general having a natural tendency to be corrupt).Oldnbroken wrote:This also not a case of the bullshite illogical story that UKSurf likes to passive aggressively tell, of the little guy getting second rate service and of secret underground materials from the factory.
But that does not mean that in some cultures you are not more likely to rip you off than others. I work with people from different countries.and some cultures hold honesty in higher regard than others. It is not different, but equal. To suggest otherwise is naive of intentionally blind(this is not directed at OB. it is just a general statement). I am not even saying it is wrong to be less honest. It is just the way certain cultures evolved and I deal with them accordingly. it is not about judging tham as much as just dealing with reality accordingly.Oldnbroken wrote:.I've met crooked people from all over the world.
Nice user nameShaveTheWhales wrote:Taut - stopping wanking on here unless you can back up your comment with hard facts !!!
I think warranty is a complex issue. I do think that design is part of the manufacturing process, and if there is a design flaw then that would make it a warranty issue...I'm trying to say there are a scenario where the claim might not be entirely out of order. On the other hand, some items there is wear and tear. Me saying this does not mean I automatically am against epic. For instance how would you react if because of the pulley used on a kite the bridle snapped after using the kite 20 times....would you ask for a replacement? How about after about 30 times use? I am a bit torn, and I think it really depends on the context.soul19 wrote:I agree that Taut took a cheap shot at the Epic kites! The context of his statement is implied but he has left himself an out to say that he wasn't referring to the renegades in general! He likes to play the passive aggressive poster! I can't understand why he feels the need to post on here defending people who have hidden agenda's unless he has one himself! If someone had similar attacks on Naish he is quick to go on the defensive! I could only imagine his response to Dimitri if D took the time to support Naish bashers..... he definitely wouldn't have the restraint that Dimitri shows!
Taut what's your agenda? Mine is calling things like I see them! I have no issue calling out BS when I see it without making things personnel!
Erm that's what this whole thread is about, you are defending the OP with his personal attack and insinuations yet aren't happy when someone else does it??Is it not possible to discuss these things without resorting to personal attacks and insinuations? Take the statement at facevalue.
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