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Postby felixp » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:02 pm
Website is all fixed .
Sorry for the inconvenience ...
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Postby Dave K » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:27 am
Thanks for the fix Felix. I ordered a 12m Element today. Thought for sure I would replace my 2010 12m Switchblade with a Nitro but the reviews, and one of my Switch riding kiting buddies, both convinced me otherwise.
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Postby ArneB » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:26 am
Thinking of replacing my Vegas for Legacy V2 kites. Do not have a chance test and I do not see them on my local beach, so did a bit of research, my worries are:
1) Legacy needs a low front line V split (so I need to convert my North 5th element bar)?
2) Legacy is not a kite designed for (mega)loops?
3) Legacy does not sell in 7m, why is this?
Does anyone have experience with this kite and can compare with Vegas?
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but could not find any definitive answers.
Thanks
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Postby felixp » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:00 pm
Hi Arne.
Great questions.
1) Legacy needs a low front line V split (so I need to convert my North 5th element bar)?
Yes - The kite needs to be flown on a 5th line. Splitting low.
2) Legacy is not a kite designed for (mega)loops?
The legacy is designed for Pop tricks. It can be looped but you will feel the power more than most kites. Element6 loops better.
3) Legacy does not sell in 7m, why is this?
It does not sell in a 7m as most riders don't really use kites smaller than a 8m in this style of riding. Not a huge market for small true wake style kites.
The new Element6 in the smaller sizes would work. If you are looking to loop. Lot more user friendly for the masses.
Hope this helps a little.
Regards
Felix.
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Postby SimonP » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:03 am
The Legacy mega-loops very well, if you are brave enough. The small ones whip around pretty fast and the yank is huge.
The 8m Legacy can be used in very strong winds, it is very stable and has heaps of depower. It can handle more wind than the 7m Combat I was using previously. I have an old (2009) 6m RPM as well, but I prefer the Legacy.
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trickcoach
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Postby trickcoach » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:45 pm
ArneB wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:26 am
Thinking of replacing my Vegas for Legacy V2 kites. Do not have a chance test and I do not see them on my local beach, so did a bit of research, my worries are:
1) Legacy needs a low front line V split (so I need to convert my North 5th element bar)?
2) Legacy is not a kite designed for (mega)loops?
3) Legacy does not sell in 7m, why is this?
Does anyone have experience with this kite and can compare with Vegas?
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but could not find any definitive answers.
Thanks
Arne ,
in my opinion the Legacy equals or surpasses the Vegas for unhooked tricks , moving to this kite made me friendly with unhooking in stronger winds and I am not scared to go for powered low mobes in 30kts on my 8m , and this comes from an old man (just turned 45 last week). No real need for a 7m legacy as when it is nuking over 35kts I would move onto the Nitro or Element for big air ...
about loops and megaloops , well I'd say it loops very well on the faster settings but its not made for sissies ... you have to engage , commit and you'll get a nice kick , but this feels so much nicer than those plug and loop kites with no flavor !!!
Here's a clip from yesterdays session on the 8m with 25/28kts winds ...
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 4525910246
Cheers
Nick
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Postby Osprey1 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:10 pm
Nick. Nice riding!
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Postby ArneB » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:15 pm
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Might actually be able to test a Legacy soon, will let you know my experience...
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Postby belcam » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:31 am
galewarning wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:30 pm
@Faxie - You obviously don't know how to get worked and thrash in the waves properly.
Seriously: Almost all of my wrap issues have been during downwinders, looping the kite into the water and getting a lot of line slack, as I coast to a stop towards a downed kite. Earlier this year, I somehow managed to wrap a wingtip two times in about 5 minutes, during a crazy wind day with my 7m E4. It also seems most of my bridle wraps occur on the high and low extremes of the windrange. I did Bill's suggested bridle mod on the E4 and it seems to have fixed the issue. I know, I know... Just don't drop the kite...
Faxie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:06 pm
+1000 hrs on numerous models and sizes Elements and onyl bridle wrap I've experienced was with selflaunching my V3 13m. What am I doing wrong?
Lost count how many times my V3 7m has been eaten up by 1,5-2m waves, never had a wrap with it.
Hi gale warning
I happen to have a switch element 4 in 7,9,11 and have the same bridle issue you have mentioned in the attached which in the surf has ended in me floatin in on top of my kite
I’m hoping you are still active on this forum and can remember the bridle fix you have mentioned above as i like the kites, this is just very painful when learning on a surfboard
If so can you do up a sketch for me please
Cheers
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Postby galewarning » Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:47 pm
belcam,
You are lucky your question caught my eye. After all the ugliness when Switch lost its core founders, I sold all my Switch kites and moved on [Full disclosure: I do still have a 15.5 Helium2, as a behemoth Gulf Coast session saver}.
I did find Bill's suggested mod and pasted it below. I can't remember which version of Element(s) this would work on, but perhaps your bridle is similar and it would work.
Seems almost all the current kites I own have bridles which are very short and very hard to wrap over a wingtip.
Good luck,
Barry
belcam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:31 am
galewarning wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:30 pm
@Faxie - You obviously don't know how to get worked and thrash in the waves properly.
Seriously: Almost all of my wrap issues have been during downwinders...snip... I did Bill's suggested bridle mod on the E4 and it seems to have fixed the issue. I know, I know... Just don't drop the kite...
...snip...
Hi gale warning
I happen to have a switch element 4 in 7,9,11 and have the same bridle issue you have mentioned in the attached which in the surf has ended in me floatin in on top of my kite
I’m hoping you are still active on this forum and can remember the bridle fix you have mentioned above as i like the kites, this is just very painful when learning on a surfboard
If so can you do up a sketch for me please
Cheers
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