Eurus you make a few good points that I agree with:Eurus wrote:You are wrong in so many ways. There are unethical people who run all types of businesses. No one I know in the kiting industry who are instructors are unethical. I know and have met kite instructors all over the world and there is only 1 I have met (who will remain unnamed) that I thought was a poor instructor. He wasn't unethical. He was just a very poor instructor.ChickenTikka wrote:Personally, I think kite-schools are a tourist rip-off.
There are so many idiot kooks getting into this sport that without kite instructors we would have no place to ride because the idiot kooks would have all of our public spots shut down. Anyone who thinks like you is exactly the idiot kook mentality I am referring to. Someone who thinks they can just hop into this sport without any legitimate instruction. And having your kite buddies give instruction doesn't count.
This sport is dangerous to a beginner.
This sport is dangerous to a pro.
I might be able to throw a football pretty good but it sure would be nice to have Tom Brady give me some lessons and guidance.
I might be able to swing a golf club ok but it sure would be nice to have Tiger Woods teach me how to rip it 300 yards down the middle.
By the way...both Tom Brady and Tiger Woods have coaches who work with them on being better and they are both elite athletes. But you somehow think kiting is exempt from instruction?
It's funny how people who get into this sport somehow think they can pick it up without any instruction. These are the same idiot kooks who hot launch their kite into a tree or get drug through a parking lot into a parked car. These are the same idiot kooks who pop their kite by tomahawking it into the water because they are too stupid to sheet out. These are the same idiot kooks who lose their board because they are too stupid to learn how to body drag correctly.
Get off your high horse thinking kite instruction is a tourist trap. Like I said...there are unethical people in all types of businesses.
1) Tom Brady and Tiger Woods do have coaches. I have nothing against people having kite coaches. Hell, I'd pay Hadlow money to kite with me and give me pointers. Just probably not enough to make it worth his while. Nothing wrong with having a coach. Not a requirement though.
2) Unethical/Lazy/Incompetent - I'm using them interchangeably. The bottom line is they are "not good" sometimes for whatever reason and that there is frequently a principal/agent problem there.
3) I agree with you about reigning in the idiots and giving them a safer way to learn to kite. But I personally believe that does not need to be some fancy pro-coach or even an IKO certified teenager who started kiting six months ago (as is often the case in a lot of schools). It could be, but it needn't be.
4) I mentioned in my post that they deal with the local territorial issues. I would say that schools help to establish norms and rules just as you said so that public/crowded spots don't get shut down as they employ locals and therefore create a pro-kiting lobby wherever they operate. Another fine service they provide. God bless you kite schools for this. Still doesn't make 700 dollars in lessons a requirement for a beginner kiter.
Driving is dangerous for a pro and dangerous for a beginner too. My dad taught me how to drive. He'd been doing it for 40 years by the time I started. I think that's good enough. I don't see the guy at the driving school caring nearly as much about my driving as my father would? Especially since I'm his son and it's his car at risk. Driving school guys are generally just going through the motions. It's a job. I don't see most kiting instructors as being that dissimilar from a driving school instructor in that regard. My dad has no formal training, or certificate but the best guy to teach me how to drive.
Our friend in the other thread has a hubby who can watch her and make sure she doesn't end up in a tree or dragged across a parking lot.
I love kite schools - but not because they are necessary to learn or a better way to learn to kite. I love them because they provide a service to us as community (tangibly and intangibly), subsidized by wealthy tourists keen to tell their friends that they tried Kitesurfing on their holiday. So if they are a tourist rip off in order to be that for us, God Bless Them!