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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby jumarcil » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:16 pm

Funny Stuff;

we have this guy on our forum who said that kite lessons are a total ripoff. He was also saying that kite lessons were for people who didn't get it.

So I am on this kite trip in New Brunswick and guess who is asking me if I could give kite lessons to his GF :-) Guess she was amongst the people who didn't get it :-(

There are good instructors and bad ones. We have one in our region who scam people in buying lots and lots of lessons... He also likes to choke them off pretty good with kites that are way too small for the weather. Just making sure that they will need more lessons. He has done a lot of damage to the sport in my region.

On the other hand I think that a good starter lesson will teach you the basics, the most important aspect his the security issues, realeasing, body drag, self resue, launching and landing securely etc...

PS: I don't think that all the clips where you see people getting dragged or hitting hard objects with their kites are from total idiots. Pretty sure that if they had taken at least one starter course they wouldn't be on the net in the "what went wrong" categories.

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby dyyylan » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:15 am

fernmanus wrote:I really hate seeing newbies showing up with a decade old 16m C kite that they bought on eBay at my beach on a 25 knot day.

It also isn't much fun rescuing an idiot that will not fork out the bucks for lessons, but shows up at the beach in an expensive sports car and all new gear.
That said, I'd rather rescue the guy on modern gear than trying to figure out how their wrist leash works ;)

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby Flyboy » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:58 am

Started in 2000 on foil kites & a big directional board. It was VERY hard - no sheeting & hard to edge. There was nobody around able to give kite lessons. It still amazes me what Naish & Flash & a few others were capable of doing in those days with a big directional & a 2 line kite.

I'm with Starsky - if you live where there's snow kiting, that's the way to learn. You can learn all the basics about flying the kite & edging across the wind in very moderate, non-threatening conditions, all of which translates perfectly onto water. You should then be able to get going on water & develop the additional water skills required relatively painlessly.

Additionally, if you can learn in shallow water - like Hatteras - you are likely to shorten the learning curve dramatically, as you will spend less time floundering around in the water & more time flying the kite & getting up on the board. I think having the ideal conditions for learning are probably more important than having an instructor.

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Postby DocDeuce » Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:30 pm

I took lessons with my 15 yr old son 5 years ago. The lessons got me the basics of understanding the wind window etc.. and safety. It was really the advice from local riders here in charleston that got me up and riding. Now, I pay it forward... when I see a new kiter, if I see something that can be tweaked or fixed, or a word of encouragement... I try to help... Except for that 1 out of 10 guy who knows it all (and refuses any and all help/advice from us more experienced kiters) and would rather be unsafe and drag his ass thru a family on the beach on at least 4 different occasions... You know who your are orange pants, we will be looking out for you!!! Sorry about that last rant...

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby Zen_Rider » Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:33 pm

I think having the ideal conditions for learning are probably more important than having an instructor.
- Totally

Ive kited in places where I couldn't believe there was a school. Gusty off shore conditions where they would just send the learners off the beach. After 10 seconds they would be out of earshot, and half an hour later they pick them up again in a boat... having achieved nothing.

I think lessons are really important, if not with a school, then with a dedicated friend. You wouldn't learn how to drive the first time by buying a car and getting on the motorway... I taught myself in 2002-3, nearly giving up several times, it was painful and slow. It wasn't until a few years later I realised I had been sold totally inappropriate equipment for a beginner.

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby t3rse » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:58 pm

DocDeuce wrote:I took lessons with my 15 yr old son 5 years ago. The lessons got me the basics of understanding the wind window etc.. and safety. It was really the advice from local riders here in charleston that got me up and riding. Now, I pay it forward... when I see a new kiter, if I see something that can be tweaked or fixed, or a word of encouragement... I try to help... Except for that 1 out of 10 guy who knows it all (and refuses any and all help/advice from us more experienced kiters) and would rather be unsafe and drag his ass thru a family on the beach on at least 4 different occasions... You know who your are orange pants, we will be looking out for you!!! Sorry about that last rant...

DD

I'm guessing you stay over at Sullivans or IOP since I've never seen Mr. Orange Pants...

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby Laughingman » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:15 pm

I took lessons, but it was early spring in Canada so the lessons were short (cold) and spread out over a month or so, in all I think I took 4, 1-2 hour lessons. I had by that point practiced all the body dragging stuff and safety procedures and successfully performed a couple of board starts. I was on my own after that, fortunately I realized I was going to have to get over my introverted self and make some friends so I promptly just started showing up, launching and landing as many kites as I could until I felt comfortable going out on my own... with the guidance of my new friends...:)

I don't think my instructors somehow gave me magical powers to succeed but I think it helped, generally. I would never suggest to anyone that they not take lessons, I even sent my wife for lessons even though I was perfectly able to teach her. We are still together so... money well spent...

I am sure there are many people out there that are perfectly capable of learning on their own, me personally, I like to think I knew just enough to know I didn't know enough to learn safely on my own. When it comes to my well being I would prefer to err on the side of caution.

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Postby madmax7 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:42 am

Lessons Or Is it coaching

Even professionals have coaches

When I go places I pay for lessons (coaching).

Caveat. Some instructors are worthless. Some are very good

Instruction is fine tuning. I can waste hours doing a trick over and over but if done wrong ...

A coach can save time

When I go to Maui I work w Franco, this summer I gor a chance to also kite w Wainman ( I am not at their level) but 1 or 2 tips and it s worth the paid advice...

I love this sport. And the synergy that I get from interacting with these pros is invaluable.

I am a specialist in my field. They are in theirs. Every time I get to interact w them I feel privileged and if they are good at coaching then it is even better. Not all pros can teach

Keep the energy flow. When we teach each other we elevate the sport and each other

It's the obtuse that will shut us down. Max

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby Laughingman » Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:33 pm

madmax7 wrote:Lessons Or Is it coaching

Even professionals have coaches

When I go places I pay for lessons (coaching).

Caveat. Some instructors are worthless. Some are very good

Instruction is fine tuning. I can waste hours doing a trick over and over but if done wrong ...

A coach can save time

When I go to Maui I work w Franco, this summer I gor a chance to also kite w Wainman ( I am not at their level) but 1 or 2 tips and it s worth the paid advice...

I love this sport. And the synergy that I get from interacting with these pros is invaluable.

I am a specialist in my field. They are in theirs. Every time I get to interact w them I feel privileged and if they are good at coaching then it is even better. Not all pros can teach

Keep the energy flow. When we teach each other we elevate the sport and each other

It's the obtuse that will shut us down. Max
Exactly what I should have said. They are coaches that is how I see it as well.

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Re: Lessons. Lisah's post got me thinking. How many took'm

Postby DocDeuce » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:49 pm

t3rse wrote:
DocDeuce wrote:I took lessons with my 15 yr old son 5 years ago. The lessons got me the basics of understanding the wind window etc.. and safety. It was really the advice from local riders here in charleston that got me up and riding. Now, I pay it forward... when I see a new kiter, if I see something that can be tweaked or fixed, or a word of encouragement... I try to help... Except for that 1 out of 10 guy who knows it all (and refuses any and all help/advice from us more experienced kiters) and would rather be unsafe and drag his ass thru a family on the beach on at least 4 different occasions... You know who your are orange pants, we will be looking out for you!!! Sorry about that last rant...

DD

I'm guessing you stay over at Sullivans or IOP since I've never seen Mr. Orange Pants...
Most of the time I'm at IOP or SI... when i have the boat out ill go up to capers. Orange pants is no longer welcome in our neck of the woods. He is just dangerous, the last time he was here, he may have learned a lesson. He pretty removed all the skin on his back and one arm while looping (the second time in one day) thru the crowded beach. Thank heavens no innocent bystander got hurt. It was funny, a week later one of the regulars who wasnt around for the fiasco, showed up in Orange boardshorts... he took quite a bit of crap that day...lol

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