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Right of way opposite tacks

Postby lovethepirk » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:17 am

Got a session in today :thumb: This was the first session I've had in enough traffic where I really needed to worry about going downwind or upwind of a jumper that crashed and navigating a kite in an opposite tack.

The only uncomfortable time was when I was on a port tack and was intersecting a starboard rider and trying to evaluate if I was well clear or needed to go a little downwind for safety. Most times I just went downwind and kept the kite low, but one time I thought I had plenty of clearance and turned out I had enough, but not enough for my satisfaction.

Since the starboard rider has right of way, when a port rider thinks they are fine and continues working upwind and the other rider yields are they pissed or just cool with it, b/c it was just one of those closer evaluations?

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby flipper231 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:33 am

It is always a good police to acknowledge that he let you hike upwind eithe by a thumb up or a Shaka. It means,'' hey I am not a reckless rider, no need to discuss it on the beach after, I know you are the one who let me out and I appreciate it''. In principle, if you don't have the room and it is too late to bear downwind, you have to turn around. The person whit the right of way should not Change where they point so no jump, no tricks, no going downwind....

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby zob » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:28 pm

flipper231 wrote:The person whit the right of way should not Change where they point so no jump, no tricks, no going downwind....
Exactly! The rule came out of other sailing sports.
When you are in a position where you have the right of way you realise you are in fact restriced to do nothing else but keep upwind, while yo have much more freedom riding in oposite direction. The nicest way to give way is to jump, however do it with a distance.

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby knotwindy » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:33 pm

mostly it is no big deal if it is a one time thing. We all make mistakes and space out or judge it badly or whatever once in a while. If it happens all day long with the same person, that is when it tends to get people upset.

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby FLandOBX » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:24 pm

If I'm not familiar & comfortable with a rider heading towards me, I assume that he/she doesn't know the right-of-way rules (many don't) or, possibly, knows them but is on a testosterone trip and isn't gonna' give an inch no matter what. Riding in traffic is like driving a car on a Caribbean island - you never know who's in the other vehicle.

Even if I have the right-of-way, I'll very often transition or otherwise change my direction away from an oncoming rider (before he/she gets close). There are lots of inexperienced & ignorant riders on the water, and I prefer to give them a lot of extra space (even when I have the right of way).

Many riders don't even understand that downwind rider keeps kite low, and upwind rider keeps kite high. And that's just logic! Better to have lots of margin for safety! ("Distance is your friend.") :thumb:

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby edt » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:30 pm

right of way comes out of other wind sports in kiteboarding you want to use your indicator to tell the other guy if you are going downwind or upwind. Keep your kite high if you want to go upwind, keep it low if you want to go downwind. You do this before you get close as an indicator, not just right at the time you pass. The port tack right of way only really matters on a racing course. If the other guy keeps his kite at 45 and doesn't indicate which way he wants to go, give right of way, he might not be paying attention. also beginners want a lot more space than more advanced riders. Advanced riders are fine if you have 1 or 2 inches between the riders, beginners want several meters. So sometimes a rider won't put his kite up or down because he sees there are several inches space, plenty! :-)

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby skullcandy » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:36 pm

FLandOBX wrote:If I'm not familiar & comfortable with a rider heading towards me, I assume that he/she doesn't know the right-of-way rules (many don't) or, possibly, knows them but is on a testosterone trip and isn't gonna' give an inch no matter what. Riding in traffic is like driving a car on a Caribbean island - you never know who's in the other vehicle.

Even if I have the right-of-way, I'll very often transition or otherwise change my direction away from an oncoming rider (before he/she gets close). There are lots of inexperienced & ignorant riders on the water, and I prefer to give them a lot of extra space (even when I have the right of way).

Many riders don't even understand that downwind rider keeps kite low, and upwind rider keeps kite high. And that's just logic! Better to have lots of margin for safety! ("Distance is your friend.") :thumb:

Goofy foot rider generally has right of way - Sometimes there are interesting moments when you have a couple riders on the same tack line in the same direction and one suddenly jibes causing a chain reaction. Experienced riders handle this fine - beginners tend to do more of the deer in headlights things. I usually just stay away from beginners but sometimes they are in the mix at more congested areas. Learning the downloop transition can go along way to not disrupt the circuit. I use it all the time. And when its crowded def use the jibe signal.

As always the same theme comes up - Distance is your friend!

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby zob » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:52 pm

skullcandy wrote:you have a couple riders on the same tack line in the same direction and one suddenly jibes causing a chain reaction.
Yeah, it's crazy how some people don't even look when they change direction.
One small head turn would let everyone know your intentions and prevent cutting lines and other damage.

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby matth » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:29 pm

Get up wind and stay there, that's what I do .. kook free zone :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Right of way opposite tacks

Postby Mossy 757 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:01 pm

skullcandy wrote:
FLandOBX wrote:If I'm not familiar & comfortable with a rider heading towards me, I assume that he/she doesn't know the right-of-way rules (many don't) or, possibly, knows them but is on a testosterone trip and isn't gonna' give an inch no matter what. Riding in traffic is like driving a car on a Caribbean island - you never know who's in the other vehicle.

Even if I have the right-of-way, I'll very often transition or otherwise change my direction away from an oncoming rider (before he/she gets close). There are lots of inexperienced & ignorant riders on the water, and I prefer to give them a lot of extra space (even when I have the right of way).

Many riders don't even understand that downwind rider keeps kite low, and upwind rider keeps kite high. And that's just logic! Better to have lots of margin for safety! ("Distance is your friend.") :thumb:

Goofy foot rider generally has right of way - Sometimes there are interesting moments when you have a couple riders on the same tack line in the same direction and one suddenly jibes causing a chain reaction. Experienced riders handle this fine - beginners tend to do more of the deer in headlights things. I usually just stay away from beginners but sometimes they are in the mix at more congested areas. Learning the downloop transition can go along way to not disrupt the circuit. I use it all the time. And when its crowded def use the jibe signal.

As always the same theme comes up - Distance is your friend!

+1, downloop and take some downwind "loss" to get clear if you're the head of the train. If you're in the caboose, keep your damned eyes open and be ready to flip around!

When around crowds I try to jump-jibe to toeside before I turn my kite so that it's unambiguous that I'm maneuvering.


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